EgyptAir flight 804 from Paris to Cairo disappears from radar

New info coming out indicates that a fire in the electronics bay may have disabled the A/C. These message time-stamps seem to be coincident with the cessation of ADS-B transmissions.

"On May 20th 2016 The Aviation Herald received information from three independent channels, that ACARS (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System) messages with following content were received from the aircraft:

00:26Z 3044 ANTI ICE R WINDOW
00:26Z 561200 R SLIDING WINDOW SENSOR
00:26Z 2600 SMOKE LAVATORY SMOKE
00:27Z 2600 AVIONICS SMOKE
00:28Z 561100 R FIXED WINDOW SENSOR
00:29Z 2200 AUTO FLT FCU 2 FAULT
00:29Z 2700 F/CTL SEC 3 FAULT
no further ACARS messages were received"

If you remember previous Airbus fire pictures the main electrical buses, relays and really big circuit breakers are right under the first officers seat. Exactly what the ACARS messages indicate. They probably had no radios and ultimately lost all the flight control computers.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MSR804/history/20160518/2045Z/LFPG/HECA

Cruising altitude
Reliable airliner
Decent carrier

I dont like where this is going....
Don't want to throw out the "T" word quite yet....
But realistically....has to be number 1 suspect at this point
Water temperature would allow for a window of survivability.
Thoughts and prayers....

One day the black box will be pulled from the depths of the Med Sea and we will know.

Just my view, I think this was maintenance related to pressurization and too many cycles... I think just like Aloha Airlines 247 and Japan Airlines Flight 123 with the Aft pressure bulk head blowing out. It appears that they were partially able to control the aircraft, but was too much as the start of the decent appeared controlled based on radar data. I think that if this was a bomb that we would have seen a much more radical flight path. Keep in mind that the A320's are old and the first came out in the mid/late 80's and the fact that over seas they have much less strick rules on inspections and cycles. Many times when a plane is cycle or timed out in the US that same plane is shipped over seas and continues revenue flights.

Just my opinion.. .Don't blast me too bad please! I have been a working on these type of a/c since about when this model came out.. and wow that makes me feel old. :)

Hopes and prayers.

Crashes are never easy to digest for me. What was going through their minds, what happened, what did it feel like. Let's hope they find out soon.

Why would an A329 have a crew of 10 for 59 passengers...was there a second crew dead heading back to Cairo?

Why does FA show it as a 737-800 but news says its an A320?

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2016/05/19/14/02/an-egyptair-flight-with-69-people-on-board-has-disappeared-from-radar
TBCA
EgyptAir has confirmed flight MS804 was carrying 59 passengers and 10 crew when it vanished from radar this morning.

EgyptAir said on its Twitter account it is in the process of dispatching rescue crews.

MS804 was flying at 37,000 feet when it disappeared at 2.45am Cairo time (10.45am AEST), EgyptAir said.

"An informed source at EGYPTAIR stated that Flight no MS804, which departed Paris at 23:09 (CEST), heading to Cairo has disappeared from radar," the airline said in press release.

"EGYPTAIR media centre will update as more information becomes available."


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Wreckage has been found on Friday, 180 miles (290 kilometers) north of Alexandria, according to a statement from the Egyptian military. This follows an erroneous report of wreckage south of Crete on Thursday.
See http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/20/middleeast/egyptair-flight-804-main/

It looks like my flightfeeder and piaware picked up the last minutes of his flight see link ...........http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MSR804/history/20160518/2045Z/LFPG/HECA/tracklog

Via CNBC, Egypt air is reporting that the a320 HAS crashed. Search aircraft have spotted aircraft parts floating in the sea. This aircraft was put in service in 2003 & CNBC has shown the actual aircraft file photo. Thoughts & prayers for the families of those lost.

CBS news now reporting that the flight recorders have been located.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/egyptair-flight-804-black-boxes-crashed-airplane-located-mediterranean-sea/

What is this doing on the Main FlighAware page like it just happened? Maybe a date or something in the Title/Heading. Thought Egypt Air had just lost another plane.

the graphs of altitude and speed correlate with the ADS-B data - neither show a change of heading or rapid descent - did the ADS-B data get truncated on Flightaware or did it cease suddenly

Would a rudder hard over exhibit the same flight path?

Just a comment about the potential for a Volcanic Ash incident. Have a look at http://www.meteo.fr/vaac/archives/ETNA/e.20160519061200.ETNA.201611.201605190600.html It appears that another A320 reported volcanic ash at FL360 roughly 3 hours after the accident aircraft lost radar contact. Has anyone heard any other reports that may indicate that Ash from Mt. Etna may have been a factor? Is there the potential that there was physical damage to radio antennas and pitot tubes?

Aljazeera is now reporting that the Greek radar findings were incorrect. The head of Egypt's state-run provider of air navigation services says that EgyptAir flight 804 did not swerve or lose altitude before it disappeared off radar.
See http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/egyptair-plane-swerve-crash-160523143800474.html

how far does egyptian airspace cover off the coast of egypt? I keep wondering as I watch the coverage if anyone on the mediterranean coast near cairo with a decent ads-b setup would have been able to pick up any final ads-b transmissions. I know FA (nor apparently the competitor who the news orgs have been showing during their coverage) seem to have a feeder who picked up final ads-b. Distance-wise from my own experience here in the U.S., I'm routinely receiving aircraft flying 37,000 feet starting at 200 miles away so I wonder if that would have covered egyptian airspace if I were in cairo or if egypt airspace covers further out.

Acars can't tell the whole story, but sudden failure of the sliding window (you chose cause of the failure), then evidence of smoke in toilet (behind cockpit) and in electronics bay (under cockpit and toilet), then I'm trending towards sudden decompression and fire (you chose cause).
If internal (bomb) or external (missile) point of impact/explosion would give flight crew little chance of maintaining control.

Its Interesting that throughout its recent history the flight has been a B738 and on this flight it was an A320. I would assume that this was also not the normal crew for the trip.

An Egyptair Airbus A320-200, registration SU-GCC (our reports database features 0 other incidents for the same aircraft, Egypt has been listed 35 times within our reports database) performing flight MS-804 (dep May 18th) from Paris Charles de Gaulle (France) to Cairo (Egypt) with 56 passengers and 10 crew, was enroute at FL370 over the Mediterranan Sea about 130nm north of Alexandria (Egypt) and about 210nm northnorthwest of Cairo when the transponder signals of the aircraft ceased at 02:33L (00:33Z). The aircraft is presumed crashed in the Mediterranean Sea.

The airline reported at 05:00L (03:00Z), that flight MS-804, estimated to land in Cairo at 03:10L (01:10Z), is missing and so far has not landed at any airport in reach of the aircraft. Egyptair subsequently tweeted that the aircraft was enroute at FL370 about to enter Egyptian Airspace when radar contact with the aircraft was lost at 02:45L (00:45Z). A search and rescue operation has been launched. The airline further corrected initial statement of 59 passengers to 56 passengers actually on board of the aircraft. The commander had accumulated 6,275 hours with 2,101 hours on type, the first officer has accumulated 2,675 hours. The aircraft had been manufactured in 2003. The airline has opened hotlines for relatives at +202 25989320 (outside Egypt) and 080077770000 (landline in Egypt).

At about 07:40L (05:40Z) Egyptair updated their statement saying, that the contact with the aircraft was lost 280km (151nm) from the Coast of Egypt at 02:30L (00:30Z). The crew comprised the captain, first officer, 5 cabin crew and 3 sky marshals. Amongst the passengers there were 30 Egyptians, 15 French, 2 Iraqis, 1 British, 1 Belgian, 1 Kuwaiti, 1 Saudi, 1 Sudanese, 1 Chadian, 1 Portugese, 1 Algerian and 1 Canadian.

Greece's Civil Aviation Authority reported radar contact with the aircraft was lost about 2 minutes after the aircraft was handed off from Greek to Egyptian Air Traffic Control. The crew did not report any problems up to hand off. The CAA subsequently clarified, that the crew was talking to air traffic control in Greek when the aircraft entered the Greek control zone. When ATC attempted to hand the aircraft off to Egypt the crew did not respond, radar contact was lost 2 minutes after the first attempt to raise the crew for hand off, the aircraft was 7nm past mandatory reporting point KUMBI (N33.7139 E28.7500), boundary between Greek and Egyptian control zone.

Very sad this news I heard, by flightwere, Radarbox24, flightradar24 and other and other social networks and aviãção ,That jesus will comfort those families God bless and comfort

This is terrible. Condolences to the families and friends.

Usually security in France is rather well done. I'd be surprised if terror boarded there.

If people in that part of the world want to live in the fifth century, and are willing to go to war to insist on it, why don't the rest of the world let them have their way and suspend aviation until they wake up, and fly right.

At least 8 ships in the local area altering courses

http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:748443/zoom:10

A ship captain who had earlier posted on his Facebook page that he was involved in the search for debris has now posted images of what he says is a lifejacket in the sea.

Tarek Wahba is an employee of the Maersk shipping company from Alexandria. He said a lifejacket and part of an airplane chair were found, but it is not clear where.

CNN reporting debris confirmed to be from the plane is being recovered in the Med; further, both Egyptian government and US officials say it was likely a bomb.

Omg, certainly sounds a terrorism occurance. There seems no info of bad weather, or mechanical trouble. Prayer are with the search and rescue, and for the grieving families. Cheers.

Perhaps the reported last minute maneuvering were the pilots attempts to execute a controlled spin to either drop altitude quickly and/or to confuse high-jackers who were in a high altitude shoot out with air-marshals.

At 40 miles out I would think that the crew was anticipatingredients their arrival instructions;vectors,check points etc. All day the news has reported that not so much as a peep came from the crew..Is it to much to consider that theven crew had the radio tuned to the AWOS or ATIS so that they could properly configure plane for landing and then disaster struck to the extent flying the plane became the first priority?

Horror.
My first reaction was that it could NOT be a terrorist attack. The security measures in Paris CDG airport are strict. Nevertheless, since the November terrorist attacks in Paris, the Paris Airport has fired dozens of «radicalized» people who were working on the airport zone, and were more or less in contact with the planes. So, could someone have put a device on board during the stop in Paris ? Terrible question. Hope the black boxes will be found quickly and speak.
All my thoughts to the loved ones of the victims.

Egypt, Greece, Turkey, and (I would think) Israel probably have radar coverage of this airspace. Primary coverage is for defense purposes to identify aircraft that might be flying towards or near their airspace. Both Egypt and Israel have some of the better in this category.

From the voice and flight recorder we'll know the truth. In any case a terrorist act is almost certain. If the vrekages will be found near Alexandria could be a bomb regulated with the internal pressure of the aircraft or at the biginning of the descend procedure.

Why was this aircraft flying faster than its topspeed, minutes before the crash? (See details MS804 on flightradar24)

The plane came from somewhere before it landed in Paris.
What if a bomb was loaded on the plane on the airport where it came from !!
/LJ

Seems like there is a pretty big debris field.....what are the odds we are dealing with another plane that was shot down....Syria,Isreal, Greece and Russia all have a presence in that area and non of them haven't said anything..Russia has recently shot a passenger jet down in the last year and they do have a navalanche station in the area....Just a speculation but unless the plane just broke apart no one has taken any responsibility for it.

Tough figuring with little info. Current info was smoke in forward lavatory. I was initially thinking flight controls loss with attempts for control reversing direction to a 360 to the right. Reminded me of a Swiss Air when an entertainment system overheating destroyed the plane. Breakers for the passenger cabin didn't turn off the entertainment system so arcing continued with worse yet insulation was flammable. But with only smoke for a clue even the APU in the tail whose bleed valve supplies cabin air could be passing smoke throughout the aircraft and through air nozzles in the lavs where the smoke detectors are. If an APU in the tail had problems that spread to controls back there its more than a smoke problem. Sad day. I've started to wonder if allowed altitudes to be flown shouldn't be reevaluated seeing that any control issues at 37k like they were at adds to the dangers.

Where? where?

Wreckage found near Karpathos Island

This is like watching the Superbowl and all you get is coverage of a fight in the stands.

Hopes and prayers.

Why is the news reporting a 90 and then a 360 turn while descending through 10,000 but FA data shows none of that?

Omg, certainly sounds a terrorism occurance. There seems no info of bad weather, or mechanical trouble. Prayer are with the search and rescue, and for the grieving families.

Smoke in the cockpit is the new news. If Donald Trump gets elected he won't allow smoke in the cockpit. It's really a bad way to have a cockpit. It's disgusting, really. Donald Trump won't allow smoke in the cockpit of he's elected president. But he won't tell you how he'll go about it. If you ask he'll have his people write mean tweets about you.

+Why don't commercial aircraft have boxes that float. How much would that add to the total cost of a plane?

today on the news it was reported the searchers have found some debris, such as floating lubggage, and also sadly,some body parts..it was also stated today the reporting system from the plane (acars)sent signals of smoke in a restroom and possibly in avionics (I am not familiar with that plane so what i am writing is what was on cnn this afternoon)..no one knows until the black boxes can be located exactly what the circumstances were...

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EgyptAir Flight Made Abrupt Turns, Crashed Into the Sea

An EgyptAir flight from Paris to Cairo with 66 passengers and crew on board crashed in the Mediterranean Sea early Thursday morning off the Greek island of Crete, with French President Francois Hollande confirming "that this plane crashed at sea and has been lost."

http://www.newser.com/story/225345/officials-egyptair-flight-crashed-into-the-sea.html

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EgyptAir Flight MS804: 9/13/02/egyptair-flight-disappears-from-radar-while-flying-from-paris-to-cairo#XBQDTEBGwUssHeZj.99

An EgyptAir flight lost early Thursday over the eastern Mediterranean with 66 people on board fell 22,000 feet and swerved sharply in Egyptian airspace before it disappeared from radar screens, Greece's defence minister said.

The plane carried out a 90-degree turn to the left and a 360-degree turn to the right, falling from 37,000 to 15,000 feet and the signal was lost at around 10,000 feet," Defence Minister Panos Kammenos told a news conference.

His comments come shortly after French president François Hollande confirmed EgyptAir Airbus A320 had crashed.

Mr Hollande said “no hypothesis” could yet be ruled out regarding potential causes of the crash


Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/world/2016/05/19/13/02/egyptair-flight-disappears-from-radar-while-flying-from-paris-to-cairo#XBQDTEBGwUssHeZj.99

http://www.9news.com.au/World/2016/05/19/13/02/Egyptair-flight-disappears-from-radar-while-flying-from-Paris-to-Cairo

Avoid long TSA lines, fly Egypt Air..... I don't need no stinking line......

Real information is spotty at best. There is a possibility that 804 might have spun in - long shot I know, but possible. And what about F/A Samar Ezz Eldin who was working the trip and posted this picture on FaceBook 26Sep2014 - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=904184259710962&set=a.195202017275860.40482.100003581907956&type=3&theater


scary......

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EgyptAir: We Found Wreckage

Debris from EgyptAir Flight 804 has been found in the waters near Greece's Karpathos Island, ABC News reports via a statement from the airline.

http://www.newser.com/story/225365/egyptair-we-found-wreckage.html

This was missed in an earlier post. F/A Samar Ezz Eldin who was working the trip and posted this picture on FaceBook 26Sep2014. It her exiting the water with a crashed plane behind her. It makes one suspect that she knew the crash was coming and this is her entering heaven. - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=904184259710962&set=a.195202017275860.40482.100003581907956&type=3&theater

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I don't buy the "vanish" theory... If Google with a cheap $100 telephone knows where we are 24/7... How a millions of $$$ piece modern technology just "vanish"?
Our prayers are with them!