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Icelandair fires all flight attendants after collective bargaining fails. Pilots now resposible for onboard safety

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After prolonged negotiations Icelandair and Flugfreyjufélag Íslands (FFI) – the union that represents the cabin crew of the airline – have failed to reach an agreement on remuneration. The airline has therefore opted to fire all flight attendants currently working for the company and to seek a new representative to deal with. (icelandmonitor.mbl.is) 기타...

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Ric Wernicke 6달 전 54

"This is your captain speaking. Don't make me come back there!"

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paul trubits 6달 전 25

Or I will turn the plane around right now!

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John D 6달 전 4

Kind of like this a week or so ago
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASA422/history/20200712/0620Z/KSEA/KSEA

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jeff slack 6달 전 2

.........and I will make you sit on a chair until your Father gets home........(oh good a chair, that has to be bigger than this airline seat)

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Robert Cowling 6달 전 -3

Watch out for 'The Hand'! Whoever it grabs is instantly guilty!

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Arturo Caldera 6달 전 20

Imagine being a Icelandair pilot and finding out you've been promoted to flight attendant

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K R 5달 전 2

They pilots are only being asked to ensure on-board safety (which they were ultimately responsible for anyway). All they are being asked to do is switch on the passenger pre-flight safety demo on the PAX screens and do eyeball check (walk up and down the rows once) of PAX compliance instead of the FA doing these activities. Not much extra work really. If there are any medical emergencies then probably more PAX than FA can do the necessary CPR, call for a doctor on the PA etc.

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ffrcobra1 6달 전 27

I don’t believe cabin crew are “optional equipment”.

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Robert Cowling 6달 전 2

Northwest was almost there. They had a really poisoned relationship with their employees.

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Andrei Neptune 6달 전 10

Yeah! Those nasty nursing staff...wanting to not be treated like cattle by having collective bargaining transfer some of the power away from the Employer and to the employee.

Serves them right?

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che mex 6달 전 4

...thats it...the right to be poor except for a few....the american dream

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djames225 6달 전 1

EXCUSE ME??? That was a demeaning & arrogant remark!!

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djames225 6달 전 2

And I get downvoted for a previous commenter's now deleted comment..lol

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Andrei Neptune 6달 전 8

Such an American thing to say. Even in the third world, we treat everyone to the best of our ability. Because healthcare is a right.
But you let your oligarchy tell you that life must be earned while they fly in private jets.

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djames225 6달 전 5

What IS pathetic was your previous comment, nothing at all mentioned about healthcare!! I noticed your previous "comment" has since been deleted.
Let me surmise it for others. You stated that "nearly all nations in the America(s) are dumps near and south of the equator"
With that attitude, glad I am NOT in need of YOUR healthcare!

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cyberjet 6달 전 4

You are a truly bitter and twisted individual who's in desperate need of psychological help.

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che mex 6달 전 -3

Recor10...you must be Trump, in disguise....another genius

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Dan Chiasson 6달 전 2

Inappropriate and self-centered comment. Save your dribble for social media.

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che mex 6달 전 5

Record10....not worthy of a reply...

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djames225 6달 전 2

Sorry che..I had to reply.

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djames225 6달 전 2

Who The H said they had to be in a Union?? To strike and ask for more money, better job security OR just plain security in general, does NOT mean you have to belong to a Union. They can be a union onto themselves!

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AWAAlum 6달 전 -1

Workers have the right, under the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA), to refuse to join a union. However, some collective bargaining agreements -- the contracts between the employer and the union -- require a company to employ only union workers to do certain jobs.

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cyberjet 6달 전 2

Your selfish greed is duly noted. Not worthy of a response, but duly noted.

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AWAAlum 6달 전 1

Having skimmed over your posts for a few years, I'm convinced you have cabinets jam packed with glasses half empty.

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Richard Orgill 6달 전 10

Long, or short term, I don't think now is the time to bargain anything given the world's stock prices. Like anything, including us, many started off at rock bottom prices and moved our way up.

Sadly, nowadays I get kids in my office with 350 hours wanting a starting salary of $100,000. During the health crisis, we have managed to stay in business while I have seen our competitor's birds sitting on the tarmac. We did that by getting our crews together taking a temp pay cut and putting our business first.

Don't know about many of you but when times are lean I don't mind taking a deep breath and when times were great (pre-COVID) putting a few bucks in the bank just in case. We all saw extreme lean times in 2008-2013.

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jptq63 6달 전 4

Understand and generally agree, unfortunately though I know a few CFI(i)s who are $150k - $175k in debt. Kinda of tough to work a job when being unemployed actually results in a bigger payday.... Not just in the flying industry, but many places in the tech field are seeking Master (and some cases PhD) degrees to just to get entry level employment, and the industry expects you to keep up covering your only education or in 3 - 5 years you are obsolete; sort of a Moore's law of tech education. Know this can go many different ways.... Pays to save your money.

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Michael Ragsdale 6달 전 10

I think the point is being missed that it won’t be the operating flight crews in the cabin, it will be pilots on their “days off”. This until they can train “replacement” workers. Won’t take long, they will only be “safety trained”. I was an Ozark pilot that came on board with TWA in 1986 when Icahn was trying to bust the flight attendants union. If memory serves, they were training replacements in 3 days. Trained to make announcements, evacuate and first aid. They would just sit in their jump seats the entire flight. Chime in if you remember otherwise.

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mary susan watkins 6달 전 3

several years back, american airlines flight attendants went on strike,and since aa didnt want to cease operations or cut back,they recruited every available person they could find who already had training,such as flight supervisors (and a few people willing to cross a picket line)to cover as flight attnedants..they did a "quickie" basic training of safety procedures,skipping the extras like cabin service and grooming,and used agents and secretaries and others who might be willing..they did manage to operate with those people as flight attendants for a while (it was a short strike)and the union came to a fast agreement because of that...firing all of the flight attendants and using cockpit crew is really extreme!

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Martin Zacharias 6달 전 5

The FAA would not allow them into the USA as Flight Attendants by law have to be onboard....it’s an FAR.

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James Cross 6달 전 4

From my understanding the pilots will be working as FAs. So if it's normally a crew of 2 pilots and 6 FAs, you'd have 2 pilots and 6 pilots in the role of FA.

Very strange news, I wonder if the pilots doing the FA job still get their full pay rate.

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Torsten Hoff 6달 전 5

How could they possibly operate without a cabin crew?

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Jesse Carroll 6달 전 4

Simple!
Sit down, read the card and heres your peanuts!

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Roger Anderson 6달 전 3

Everyone is wondering the same

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Frank Zilka 6달 전 4

Friday‘s decision to fire all cabin crew has been withdrawn, you can still get peanuts and Icelandic schnapps

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Sebastian Phoenix 6달 전 3

Seems a very odd time to be going on strike in the airline industry, lucky to have any employment, maybe wait for clearer skies ahead.

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lynx318 6달 전 1

Good point!

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Tommy Boy 5달 전 1

It must have been a horrible offer to get 73% to vote it down in this airline business climate. You can bet there were a ot of untenable clauses that would make anyone rather not work.

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djames225 6달 전 3

Well that was short lived..no more firing..for now..guess we have to wait till July 28 to see if this 1 falls apart.
Icelandair and flight attendants have struck a deal

https://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/news/2020/07/19/icelandair_and_flight_attendants_have_struck_a_deal/

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canuck44 6달 전 3

Iceland doesn't have an extensive domestic route network. No flight attendants will cut off al international flights.

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Kenneth Rehder 6달 전 2

Boy, I’ll never fly this airline under these conditions. How safe can it be having a pilot trying to safely fly the plane and also worry about the passengers in the back?

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David Ackerman 6달 전 1

Pretty much my thinking.

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dee9bee 6달 전 2

In reading a couple other articles, There is very little flying going on anyway. Management is ticked off at the F/As and there are a lot of Pilots standing around doing nothing. The Pilots will be trained on safety procedures, much of which they already know. They will be in the cabin, of course, though I love your ideas of "Don't make me turn this plane around!".

In the USA, there was a F/A strike at "a major airline" in 1993. The FAA approved a program to train new Flight Attendants in ten days. That never occurred, though. This idea wouldn't 'fly' in the US but Iceland? We'll see.

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bentwing60 6달 전 3

https://www.icao.int/safety/airnavigation/OPS/CabinSafety/Pages/Minimum-Cabin-Crew-Requirements.aspx

"The minimum number of cabin crew members required for each aircraft type in an operator's fleet must be approved by the State of the Operator." It's up to their national regs.

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Torsten Hoff 6달 전 4

But that number isn’t going to be zero. Who is going to manage the cabin in the event of an emergency or evacuation?

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bentwing60 6달 전 0

Don't ask the question, Torsten, do the homework. Iceland's CAB, or whatever ,regs, cabin crew requirements is in there.

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Brent Lee 6달 전 2

Good for them. The company knows what it can do with the revenue generated. If employees aren’t satisfied with that, find another job. The company made the choice for them.

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Roger Anderson 6달 전 2

I wouldn't be surprised if they speedily high some low wage crew members to avoid this problem.

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Robert Cowling 6달 전 -8

People who can't speak the language. Yippee...

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Dan Chiasson 6달 전 2

Most Icelanders are very conversant in English. I have been there and never had a problem. How many languages do you speak RC . . . .

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Duncan Mulholland 6달 전 2

Good for them. We need more companies like that. While I believe in collective bargaining to many unions drive a company into non profitability. Remember Eastern Airlines.

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ORDUnited 6달 전 1

Frank Lorenzo drove Eastern Airlines into bankruptcy and out of business.....NOT THE UNIONS!!!! Do your homework and see what other companies went out of business under Frank Lorenzo!!! Unions DO NOT drive businesses into non-profitability......look at United Airlines....all employee groups had the best contracts that they have ever had in the last few years, and United was making record profits until Covid-19 hit.

So, unions help companies to profitability.....they do not drive them to non-profitability!!! Unions are needed to protect employees from the abuses that many companies would like to drive at employees.

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Usual Suspect 6달 전 2

Spoken like a true shop steward...

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Bob Hearst 6달 전 2

They don't understand that $$$ doesn't grow on trees yet.

NO MONEY. NOBUSINESS

My union stew friend makes $90k +. and is terrified of layoffs.
No real marketable skills other than 'coffee,tea or **,
Burger flipping is a dream job now.
Secured jobs prevent people from improving job skills and can create financial irresponsibilty as there's always another paycheck next week.

Thrift and self responsibility go out the window when times are good.

Take your best shot,I welcome minds greater than my own!

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Dan Chiasson 6달 전 2

I am therefore expecting a tsunami of replies to your challenge!

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K R 5달 전 1

Yes, but the reality? FA's are unionized and have large lobbying budgets with which to corrupt government officials. So, its not about the job they do, its about the lobbying they do. It took Reagan to get ATC's sorted out and based on some sort of pay for actual work. Where is the Reagan now for FA's?

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Tommy Boy 5달 전 1

How much money were they offered?

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J.J. Lasne 6달 전 1

https://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/news/2020/07/19/icelandair_and_flight_attendants_have_struck_a_deal/

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K R 5달 전 1

Yes, sign of the times. For my recent post-lock-down flights(SAA and AC)the FA's basically did nothing anyway (in theory to limit contact). Water was provided on boarding and through water bottles in the (unsupervised) galleys. They came out once midflight to hand out a cold wrapped sandwich (which could have been given to use on boarding like the water). Otherwise they just waited around in case of an emergency. Not that they could/would do much about handling that - a good % of PAX can do as much as they can do in an in-flight PAX or aircraft emergency. When you take the "attendant" part away from "flight attendant" duties there is sadly not much left. Is The "new normal" = "no customer service on-board" - flight attendants like bus attendants beforte them (for anyone old enough to remember) are in a dead profession? I hope not. For me the customer service I have experienced is with the FA's of the airline often outstrip the customer service provided by the same airlines ground staff, pilots etc.

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SkyAware123 6달 전 1

I could see this become the new norm. Just like a bus ride. Hand out a drink or snack at the gate. For short flights, why the hell not?

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Andre Blanchard 6달 전 1

What a mess!

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Julius Thompson 6달 전 1

Sorry. I didn't check-duplicate squawk!

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joe milazzo 6달 전 1

LOL...... I can imagine that memo.....
“Dear pilot group. To avoid furloughs you will now be required to work the cabin.
All monthly lines will include pilot lines and FA lines. If you’ can’t hold a pilot line you must bid an FA line. If you’re rewarded an FA line you will be paid as an FA. Anyone failing to hold either will be paid minimum monthly guarantee at the FA rate.”

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djames225 6달 전 1

And the cabin crew sack is off the table..for now.
Link is in the other squawk

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Lee Watermann 6달 전 1

Don't make me pull over.

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Lee Watermann 6달 전 1

LOL

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Richard Klima 6달 전 1

The employees in this socialist country pushed too far. As noted, they were already paid more than flight attendants in comparable markets. The airline had no choice, considering their financial condition. A lesson should be learned from this.

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Dan Chiasson 6달 전 4

Actually and as a reminder, socialism is an economic model and not a political one. At least Icelanders, who do live in a democracy BTW, can count on universal healthcare and reasonable social assistance when times are hard. I am quite sure that several noted democracies, even "powerful"(?) countries cannot claim the same YET are, as alluded to by "che mex", having the exact same struggles in the airline industry. Personally, I and my family like the idea of having a net to land in when essential.

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che mex 6달 전 2

I agree with you....not too far away, In Canada....we also have public universal healthcare (since 1970) and its coast to coast, accessible tuition for college and university studies, social assistance, etc....etc....

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K R 5달 전 1

I had occasion to need Iceland health care on a flight from Canada to UK (plane diverted - thanks BA, and free services provided - yay Iceland). Since they have a very small and single ethnic population they were/are able to achieve standards of health care that Canadians can only dream off (in their wildest dreams). I put Canadian health care at about 70% of the level of Iceland's and the US's and 60% of South Africa's top tier(a socialist country too but with a two tier system like the US). Iceland socialism is still performance based (based on principles of meritocracy using capitalist metrics). With the current job description of FA's in the "new normal" they are overpaid - they are doing less work for the same money. This type of "subsidization" of one group by other groups does not fit for IcelandAIR or Icelands voters - as Dan said above: an economic model. BUT based on raising the per-capita GDP, not lowering like Canada.

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che mex 6달 전 -1

....minimal wages , no social security benefits and shutting up guarantees jobs.....just like it does in the so-called dream land aka the USA

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Michael Cole 6달 전 -1

When I walked the Camino de Santiago three years ago, during the almost 500 mile home across Spain I spent each night in albergues (hostels). Many of the albergues had group dinners, where you would sit down with people from all over the world. Invariably, the most obnoxious, sanctimonious, holier-than-thou, know-it-alls were the Canadians. Thanks for proving what I thought then still hold true now.

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che mex 6달 전 1

when compared to people like you, being more knowledgable is easy...

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Michael Cole 6달 전 0

It is if one is a Canadian.

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djames225 6달 전 1

I have travelled a bit around the world..I must say that the show was on the other foot. That " the most obnoxious, sanctimonious, holier-than-thou, know-it-alls were folk from the US." BUT at least, with thinking and knowing, I know not all are that way. Yourself excluded!

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djames225 6달 전 1

shoe not show

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che mex 6달 전 0

and clearly, you dont understand Spanish....

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AWAAlum 6달 전 -1

What's that got to do with this thread?

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srobak 6달 전 1

Nope. Pilots should strike.

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lynx318 6달 전 1

Pilots preparing the airline food....Oh this can't be good.

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AWAAlum 6달 전 1

It will be interesting when planes are landing with pax not belted in and wandering the aisles. They're swapping one disaster for yet another.

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Scott Campbell 6달 전 0

"What did the cabin crews do before you hired them ? "
most were flipping burgers, our only requirement nobody making more than 5 bucks and hour!

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Arthur Netteler 6달 전 -3

Unions have OUTLIVED their USEFULNESS! As a Company & Corporate Owner we have seen Unions go from Worker Support to nothing more than FUND RASING WINGS for the Liberal/Leftists of the World!

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Martin Zacharias 6달 전 0

How can they do this ....emergency evacuation would kill all passengers.

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RECOR10 6달 전 -6

Could be. So could a bird strike, errant asteroid, rouge missile, nutty Arab....oh, the list can go on and on.

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Martin Zacharias 6달 전 0

They would be knowingly placing passengers in danger.....Bird strike is a act of God.

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David Ackerman 6달 전 0

Well, I'm not really a fan of the LCC/VLCC model anyway, but this pretty well ices that cake. Not flying any airline without crew to make sure my fellow passengers act human. Never you mind that I do rather like a meal and a beverage or two on a long flight. Sure, beverage service is optional. But cabin crew do a lot more than just that. No human I've ever met could begin to manage a hundred people or more and still actually handle a complicated safety task like flying an aircraft. Nope. Not touching a mainline aircraft with a two person crew. Crimminy, I hope they don't kill anyone while they go out of business.

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John Manley 6달 전 -1

LOL ... FAA bout to ban Icelandair xD

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Etienne Daniels 6달 전 3

FAA can't even take of Boeing :) To my Knowledge the FAA is not a worldwide body.

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djames225 6달 전 4

I believe he met ban them from flying into the US.

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Marc Pagan 6달 전 -5

A step in the right direction.

Now, if would could destroy public sector unions, especially teacher unions,
the world would be a better place.

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cypryfyx 6달 전 3

You and I have very different ideas of “better.”

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Andrei Neptune 6달 전 2

They fail to remember that if you repeatedly get rid of those at the bottom of the totem pole, they will eventually become the bottom of the totem pole.

But no, we need to start up for the disadvantaged millionaires and CEOs to protect them from the ills of the world

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AWAAlum 6달 전 1

It's what makes the world go 'round.

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Tommy Boy 5달 전 1

Labor Unions have made the World a better place. Labor Unions brought us weekends, 8 hour work days, overtime pay, healthcare coverage, pensions, child labor laws, equal pay for equal work, anti-discrimination laws, and job security. Even non-union workers get wage increases to stay competitive with union workers.

What have non-union employees ever done for anyone?

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cyberjet 6달 전 -2

Employers get the unions they deserve, and people who crap on a profession that they've never worked in are truly the lowest of the low.

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Dean Kassim 6달 전 -3

Excellent Action taken. A step in the right direction. Today, we don’t need Unions. Complains could be taken to other to other areas without paying the Unions. I hope other Airlines follow suite.

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Blake Van 6달 전 -2

As pilots we need to stand with our Crew-Members, passengers. Aircraft safety Our Command, Leadership Authority don't end at the Cockpit door. We are next yes,with UAS Droin Airline auto controlled, but not yet...

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jacques xavier 6달 전 0

They have since reached an agreement with flight attendants. According to same source
https://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/news/2020/07/19/icelandair_and_flight_attendants_have_struck_a_deal/

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serge LOTH 6달 전 0

OH fine!!! afterwards , fire the Cockpit crew… AND the passengers… and the aircrafts… SUPER!!
What about the board????????

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Jesse Carroll 6달 전 0

Defund Police and Airline attendants!
Pilots need the overtime anyway!

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linbb 6달 전 -4

You ever check the posts before commenting.

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John Cotton 6달 전 1

Not sure what you mean. Is there a problem with the post?

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Julius Thompson 6달 전 -3

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Icelandair sacks all cabin crew, shifts their duties to pilots

Icelandair says it will sack all cabin crew and replace them with off–duty pilots after negotiations on a collective-bargaining agreement broke down.

It followed months of talks between the airline and the Icelandic Cabin Crew Association (Flugfreyjufelag Islands/FFI).

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/122182420/icelandair-sacks-all-cabin-crew-shifts-their-duties-to-pilots

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John Cotton 6달 전 -3

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Pilots To Fill In For Fired Icelandair Flight Attendants

Icelandair fired all its flight attendants Friday and told pilots they’ll be doing those jobs temporarily starting Monday.

http://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/pilots-to-fill-in-for-fired-icelandair-flight-attendants/

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Icelandair fires all flight attendants after collective bargaining fails. Pilots now resposible for onboard safety

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