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NTSB determines cause of Addison plane crash that killed 10

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The NTSB said in a report the June 2019 Addison, Texas plane crash that killed 10 was caused by the pilot's failure to control the plane after one of the engines lost thrust just seconds after takeoff — and audio recording from the beginning of the flight shows the pilot failed to follow checklists and adhere to emergency procedures. (www.wfaa.com) 기타...

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DTBMF
How many times a day does this happen in the real world out there. I mean the Not Following Check Lists and Procedures? Me thinks it is probably more common then you think.
Ricovandijk
Well if I found out that a crew was deliberately neglecting to use their checklist, I would (after having a conversation about this) not fly with them and report them to the authorities. Because why would you not take the 8 seconds or so to read a few lines and keep everyone safe?
bentwing60
Thought long and hard about your post and can only say that I hope, as a purported ATP, you discover that the use of a checklist by a true Airman who knows the equipment will use same as a 'checklist'. Not a 'Do' list.

The difference? Folks that really know their equipment run the panel, confirm with the other well trained pilot, and use the 'checklist' to reconfirm that all the procedures and protocols have been accomplished.

Those that don't will use it as a 'do list' and will never get that in any sophisticated piece of equipment any interruption in the 'do' list can lead to non adherence to the poignant steps that make it all safe and correct. And if you don't use one at all, then all bets are off!

If you really know your merde, you know whether or not the occupant of the other seat knows the airplane before you leave the ramp!

"Because why would you not take the 8 seconds or so to read a few lines and keep everyone safe?"

If you really think it's all about "8 seconds or so to read a few lines and keep everyone safe" you might be a bit behind the 'power curve' in the big picture.

Rattin' out a senior in the cockpit is a sure career suicide move in the long run.

Just the rantings of an old, retired, 'freight dog'/corporate airplane driver.
8984p
8984p 0
Not following the Check List and Emergency Procedures then certainly increases risk of being either way behind the aircraft or incapable of doing what needs to be done when the problem arises. That transfers to possible damage to aircraft, injury or death to the pilot and other occupants and to potential property damage and death to people at the impact area. The more we are following check lists and are "up" on procedures the more likely the above-mentioned happenings won't happen.
rdtruitt
The checklist had nothing to do with this accident, sorry. It was a case of aircraft handling or lack thereof.
bendix20
The NTSB said that checking the locks on throttles. The left throttle could have slipped starting the chain of events. Large complex planes like the King Air have checklists for a reason and they are to be used religiously.
OgerT6
Absolutely…. things written on paper don’t change ….. but going by memory and forgetting leads you to signing your death certificate…. I Concur…. Don’t Be Foolish….!!!
rdtruitt
Monitoring the throttle(s) is airmanship, not checklist. That's like saying "look outside"; You don't need a checklist for that either.
BobDenny
PS: Like Gryder says in his video, the lost engine is not the cause. And you DON'T HAUL OUT THE CHECKLIST ON LOST ENGINE ON TAKEOFF. This needs to be an instinctive response. @brent young below has it absolutely right.
fwaviator63
Dead foot, dead engine.
alexa320
Yup, that’s why it’s called a memory item! It’s important to know. Obviously. And commit to memory. Was the pilot current? Recurrent checks?
Lib4ever
That's our Gryder; often wrong but never in doubt.
bendix20
Not using the checklist probably lead to this crash. The report doesn't say they didn't use the checklist after the loss of thrust. Also it is SOP to keep your hands on the throttles during take off, that would prevent the throttle from rolling back.
soarby007
This is a classic case of complete incompetence. No checklists, a captain with a bad leg, failure to recognize a loss of power and the list goes on. The co pilot was just extra baggage to show there was a “crew” on board to satisfy the owners.
Tragic.
bentwing60
bentwing60 10
You got that right, and having read this report a couple of times, it doesn't really drill down into Why they lost control. The result attests that he did nearly everything wrong! A KA350 has ample thrust SE and well proven, and I have more than a tad of experience in one.

The report glosses over or omits several crucial points that could have been verified by the CVR and nonvolatile avionics data or switch positions, to claim that the left throttle may have rolled back because they didn't set the friction lock. BS! If the rudder boost was enabled, probably not, he wouldn't really have been able to effect a significant amount of left rudder. If the autofeather was armed and tested, it would have been discernible from the CVR background noise inputs. 'Not determined in my reading of the report'. NOT audibly using checklists does Not automatically mean you don't know the airplane well enough to run them, though I believe they didn't in both cases, and omitted arming or testing crucial safety items.

The hole in the hangar speaks for itself, the NTSB report is IMHO, sadly lacking in exactly why. That is their job, and duty to future crews of these aircraft.

http://kingairmagazine.com/article/rudder-boost-ramblings/
rdtruitt
Good analysis. The report's citing of lack of checklist usage does not qualify as a cause; it's only additional info. The cause is what made the accident inevitable: that would be the crew's failure to use controls to counteract an asymmetrical thrust condition. Nothing else in this sequence made a crash inevitable.
Ricovandijk
Not using any checklists and briefings is also gross neglect.
jkiddier
Link worked for me
https://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/mr20210518b.aspx
Ricovandijk
Thanks! That worked for me
tsilver473
Thanks worked for me also
VFRMAN
Link at the bottom of this page

https://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/mr20210518b.aspx
Cat3508
If you bother to read the report, it will give you the answers !!
BobDenny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6ydZqHAdjA
kevinmwalker
Cannot access the report , access denied , I’m in the U.K. , so guess this is why ?
jkiddier
I got there from UK https://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/mr20210518b.aspx
SteveLyons
Also cannot access the report here in Luxembourg.
Ricovandijk
Access Denied, is there a public link?
themold
themold 1
Horrible example that complacency kills. USE THE CHECKLIST!
BobDenny
@themold - So "V1 rotate" ... "left engine failed! Hey Herman, grab the engine out on takeoff checklist and read it to me" ... "crash!"

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