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Southwest Boeing MAX 8 lost a fan blade on climb out from New Orleans

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Southwest flight #WN554 quickly returned to New Orleans following a technical issue. (airlive.net) More...

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emlouise
Em Fairley 1
Another click bait squark headline from the Boeing hating MH370. Failure to mention the bird strike which resulted in the blade loss is absolutely typical of him
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AWAAlum
AWAAlum 2
Knowing absolutely zero about this topic - please don't come after me for asking - but I simply don't understand why something, i.e., screening or something, isn't installed across the opening to prevent anything larger than a bug being ingested. Is that idea simply ridiculous?
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sparkie624
sparkie624 1
There are quite a few reasons... But keep in mind at Altitude the engine would most certainly ice up... once it ices up it would do one of 2 things.. Smother the engine and shut it down due to no air, or Ice break loose and get ingested into the engine causing even worse damage. Birds would do much the same as ice, block airflow and ultimately still go through the engine anyway.
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AWAAlum
AWAAlum 4
Thanks for the concise, clear explanation, Sparkie. Makes perfect sense.
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bchandl13
Brian Chandler 3
Screening would, amongst other things I am probably missing:

1) Restrict and disrupt the airflow into the engines, lowering performance

2) Be an added weight, reducing performance

3) A bird hitting a screening of some kind at 200+ mph will still shred the bird into bits which will still be injested by the engine.
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BJMay
Byron May 1
Could that be the first ever failure/liberation of a composite fan blade? Even going back to the GE90? Hope it was a huge bird because otherwise all fan blades are supposed to be able to take it. At least the containment seemed to work.
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Frosty1025
Frosty1025 2
All very nice and accurate points you make. But unfortunately, good luck with having Congress do anything to fix anything, they are all in one way or another profiting from the chaos and dishonesty in reporting.

Just turn the news at home for one and two weeks and you will see that nothing reported by the news outlets has made a dent on reporting accurate stories of events.
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sparkie624
sparkie624 2
It is an issue with any Wing mounted engine and many tail engines as well... Why Isolate the "MAX". While it has had its issues, it has not had more birds than other similar mounted engines. Your statement is a quite a bit of an out field Strike!
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johntaylor571
John Taylor 1
Yeah, the Max design failures cause it to ingest birds where no other airplane does. Moron.
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AWAAlum
AWAAlum 2
Stooping to call people names is something school children do. There are more charitable ways to make your point
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bchandl13
Brian Chandler 8
What a idiotic troll comment
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donnnell
donnnell 1
A question for those in the know - Were this engine's fan blades made of "old school" metal or are they composite? I ask because in the "olden days" (when all blades were metal) they used to show us videos of bird ingestions causing little engine damage. The bird would simply pass through, being reduced to ever thinner slices through each metal bladed turbine. They suggested there was no need to routinely abort a flight following an ingestion. Continue your flight, land only in the rare instance of engine damage. I realize that those videos were produced and distributed by the engine manufacturers and likely showed the best of outcomes. It may be my imagination but, it seems as though there have been an increasing number of bird ingestions resulting in catastrophic engine failures. I wonder if composite blades are more fragile (less robust, more susceptible to damage) than metal blades. What do the statistics show?
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Propwash122
Peter Fuller 2
Composite blades: “The fan has flexible blades manufactured by a resin transfer molding process, which are designed to untwist as the fan’s rotational speed increases.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFM_International_LEAP
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ajechase74
ajechase74 5
I had two co-workers on this flight. After a few minutes of the flight crew getting the passengers and plane in order, it was announced by the captain that the reason for the issue was due to a bird strike. Some pretty hefty bird around the gulf coast, so losing a fan blade due to a bird strike doesn’t surprise me at all.

Kudos to the flight crew for being professional and keeping the passengers calm, safe and bringing them back to the gate without any other incident or injuries.
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capcmdr
capcmdr 0
so, how do you lose a fan blade, then return to service 3 days later?? Something is lacking in the report details..
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msetera
msetera -3
They found it and superglued it back in.
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dr1622
David Roberts -1
LOL!!!
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bchandl13
Brian Chandler 4
The part you're missing is you can't do math. It happened on 12/20 and per the article was scheduled to return to service on 12/25.

25-20 /= 3.

Also it didn't return to service until 12/26, a full 146hrs after the incident. MSY is a pretty large outstation for WN, and a simple engine swap was performed in 6 days, which is pretty standard time, and definitely could have been handled faster but they likely had to ship the engine in
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jeldonjam
Jed Dunkin 1
I remember back in 1975 I was in the Navy and another shipmate and I were being sent back to the US. We were at Clark Air Force Base in the Philippines and our final destination was San Francisco International Airport. We wound up sitting at the base 3 days because the Evergreen Airlines ( I can’t recall if it was a DC 8 or Boeing 707) had blown an engine and they had to replace it. So if they did it in 3 days I think 6 days would be plenty of time.
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johntaylor571
John Taylor 2
I've been involved in many engine changes on the USAF KC-135E aircraft and we get it done in one day. Those engines were the PW-TF-33 P-9's.
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hwh888
hwh888 13
Let's at least make a feeble attempt at accurate lead in reporting...........
"BIRD STRIKE LEADS TO LOSS OF A FAN BLADE AND RETURN TO AIRPORT"
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sparkie624
sparkie624 1
After all of these news reports of everything over the decades, I am not sure we could handle accuracy after so many years... I mean really... We want the news to report something accurately!
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lbflight
Burke Files 5
I sent in a correction to the WSJ. Their article on inflation said prices were coming down. WRONG - inflation was just increasing at a slower pace. UGH. In accuracy versus timeliness, much is sacrificed, but as was done here it also must be corrected. Thank You.
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ko25701
ko25701 -1
The larger jet engine intakes are scooping up birds like a fish net! Look at how small the intakes were on the early 737s.
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Propwash122
Peter Fuller 1
Prop diameter on some turboprops eg Q400 is considerably larger than any turbofan intake. Are they “scooping up birds like a fish net!”?
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sparkie624
sparkie624 1
The Intake is totally different... For Ground ops, the Dash's have a lower bypass door that when Birds or other debris is ingested into the intake 90% is ejected out the bottom and no damage, however, some times it does make it into the engine and can still do extensive damage to the engine.
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kelsej
kelse jennings 1
Wonder how many bird strikes were encountered in DC 9's and MD 10's?
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sparkie624
sparkie624 1
DC9's not as Much... Engines were high and mounted on the tail. Where there were Bird Engestions, they did not usually do nearly the damage that gets done with the High Bypass fans! The 737-200's and DC9's seemed to handle birds better as well.
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bkoskie
Billy Koskie 35
Probably would have been more accurate for the headline if it said 'lost fan blade after bird strike on climb out'. Details matter.
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sirclown82
Chris Cotter 12
My dad used to say "the truth doesn't sell papers."
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MrTommy
MrTommy 4
Yup. "If it bleeds, it leads".
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sparkie624
sparkie624 8
That much is certain... One thing I have learned over the years... Reporters are clueless on the way planes work! They Assume (Ass-U-&-Me)
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nasdisco
Chris B 12
The aircraft isn’t even a year old yet. That’s nothing and there’s no basis to believe there’s a maintenance issue.
Bird strikes are damaging. Ask Sully about that.
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sparkie624
sparkie624 -1
A lot of maintenance can happen in 1 year... Many times it takes a year to get the bugs out of them
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sparkie624
sparkie624 0
That will be an Engine Change... The vibration alone would destroy the engine before they even realized what happened... But I can fully understand how this kind of things happen at SWA! Glad the plane landed safely with no injuries.
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sparkie624
sparkie624 0
Looked at it closer,,, The Birdstrike alone would not in anyway caused a properly installed blade to come out.. there is something deeper to this story!
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dr1622
David Roberts 2
LOL!!!!
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linbb
linbb -9
So Southwest has problems maintaining there aircraft? Funny first I have seen posted about that. Also wouldnt an engine change be in order even without loosing a blade? And the final why is it unusual it lost a blade?
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sparkie624
sparkie624 3
They have lots of problems maintaining them... I used to work for them... I quit when I was assigned to clean oil out from under an engine so that the crew would not write it up because they did not have an available engine... Seeing frequent drinking while on the clock. No.. I have no respect for there maintenance and why I left the company... when you work for them, maybe you can evaluate them instead of slamming someone for something you have no clue about
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crbascott
crbascott 1
How long ago did you work for them?
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sparkie624
sparkie624 1
I worked for them for 3 Months... I have 20 years working on 737's (-200's all the way up to the -700's). I have 20 more years working the Desk in Maintenance Control and Maintenance Planning! I have had my license now for 40 years and I know right from wrong and I know when I am being told to do something illegal.
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AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
Are you told to do something illegal often? And, if I may ask, how do you handle that situation when you are. Sounds like a sticky situation for an employee.
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sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Another note... You were required to do a Main When change in 30 minutes... That is from the time that you decide it needs to be changed, go get the Tire and Jack til the time the log book is signed off, and parts tags completed.
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sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Very Sticky... I didn't stay around a long enough to find out how often... But the loose maintenance and being assigned to clean oil out from under a known leaking engine so the crew would not write it us is just unheard of anywhere else... I decided then enough was enough and went back to where I came from while the slot was still open!
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sparkie624
sparkie624 1
8 or 9 years ago... But I hear not much has changed.
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