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Phenom 300 Overshoots Runway
A corporate jet arriving at the Flying Cloud Airport in Eden Prairie overshot the runway Monday morning, went through a fence and came to rest on a road, authorities said. There was no immediate word on why the twin-engine plane left the runway about 8:50 a.m. and ended up partly on Flying Cloud Drive to the southeast of the airport, said Melissa Scovronski, spokeswoman for the Metropolitan Airports Commission. (www.startribune.com) 기타...
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I'm rated in the EMB-505, (Phenom 300), with over 300+ hours in the JUNK jet, and have flown 8 different types. The brakes are JUNK. If one does not keep steady pressure during rollout, they will grab and take you into the ditch. I think they are up to Mod -11 on the brake system, when they came out 2 years ago, it was Mod -8. Kudos to the FO pilots for not getting hurt!!
Welcome to my state of Minnesota. To go all the way through to flying cloud drive is just unreal...we just had almost the same accident here at KFCM last year. But I believe that was a twin turbo prop.
Nope, it was a MIG-21...
http://www.startribune.com/local/west/162220295.html
http://www.startribune.com/local/west/162220295.html
Does anyone know which runway it landed on and wx conditions?
KFCM 051453Z 21005KT 10SM FEW008 SCT014 BKN070 20/17 A2989 RMK AO2 SLP119 60015 T02000172 58009
KFCM 051353Z 18003KT 10SM FEW004 OVC065 18/17 A2990 RMK AO2 RAE19 SLP122 P0001 T01780167
KFCM 051338Z 15004KT 6SM BR FEW002 OVC070 18/17 A2989 RMK AO2 RAE19 P0001
KFCM 051300Z 00000KT 2 1/2SM -RA BR FEW004 OVC060 17/17 A2991 RMK AO2 VIS 1 3/4V5 P0001
KFCM 051253Z 20003KT 2SM -RA BR BKN006 OVC065 17/17 A2991 RMK AO2 SLP126 P0014 T01720167
KFCM 051237Z 23003KT 4SM -RA BR FEW006 SCT048 OVC065 17/16 A2991 RMK AO2 P0013
KFCM 051219Z 19005KT 2SM RA BR SCT006 BKN031 OVC065 17/16 A2991 RMK AO2 P0011
KFCM 051353Z 18003KT 10SM FEW004 OVC065 18/17 A2990 RMK AO2 RAE19 SLP122 P0001 T01780167
KFCM 051338Z 15004KT 6SM BR FEW002 OVC070 18/17 A2989 RMK AO2 RAE19 P0001
KFCM 051300Z 00000KT 2 1/2SM -RA BR FEW004 OVC060 17/17 A2991 RMK AO2 VIS 1 3/4V5 P0001
KFCM 051253Z 20003KT 2SM -RA BR BKN006 OVC065 17/17 A2991 RMK AO2 SLP126 P0014 T01720167
KFCM 051237Z 23003KT 4SM -RA BR FEW006 SCT048 OVC065 17/16 A2991 RMK AO2 P0013
KFCM 051219Z 19005KT 2SM RA BR SCT006 BKN031 OVC065 17/16 A2991 RMK AO2 P0011
Great. Runway?
Flying Cloud Drive is on the East side, so 10L or 10R most likely?
Most likely 10L. Length of 10L is 3,900' and the Embraer Phenom 300 needs a minimum landing distance of 2,953' therefore it is my opinion that it landed long and unfortunately ran out of runway. Pilots should've been more aware and initiated a go-around.
At KFCM, 10L is 3900' x 75' and 10R is 5000' x 100'. Why would any pilot pass up a longer runway right in front of you, and land on the shorter one, especially when there's an ILS to the longer one? It doesn't make any sense that any professional pilot would choose to do that.
Less than 1000' of margin is not very much for a swept wing jet.
Since I wasn't there and I don't know the airplane, I won't make any guesses and speculate as to what they should have done, let the media do that.
Less than 1000' of margin is not very much for a swept wing jet.
Since I wasn't there and I don't know the airplane, I won't make any guesses and speculate as to what they should have done, let the media do that.
I'm not doubting what you said about the runway, BUT there are career pilots and there are professional pilots. BIG difference...
Pilots make bad decisions everyday...
Well said my friend. Let me add as follows.
Some(bad decisions) become visible and some do not, accidents separate one from another !
Some(bad decisions) become visible and some do not, accidents separate one from another !
There's a difference from a culture that wants to determine what caused an accident, in order to learn from it and prevent future similar incidents, from a culture that prefers to cover up mistakes in order to save face.
Forget the everyone makes mistakes strawman argument. Should we get better with every incident, or not?
Don't get lost in the ethnic/racial considerations. Strip away all but the actions and systems behind the actions, and fix what needs fixing.
Forget the everyone makes mistakes strawman argument. Should we get better with every incident, or not?
Don't get lost in the ethnic/racial considerations. Strip away all but the actions and systems behind the actions, and fix what needs fixing.
Some appear to misunderstand the term culture as applied to aviation.
"Culture" refers to the accepted standards and practices, and commonly held beliefs within the aviation community generally, or within a carrier specifically.
This culture can vary by nation (as a by-product of the regulator oversight or lack thereof) or can vary even more markedly by carrier (there was a big difference from ValuJet and PamAm) within a country or from different countries.
Culture need not refer to the ethnicity of the aviatiors, but the beliefs they have developed over time in regards to flying.
"Culture" refers to the accepted standards and practices, and commonly held beliefs within the aviation community generally, or within a carrier specifically.
This culture can vary by nation (as a by-product of the regulator oversight or lack thereof) or can vary even more markedly by carrier (there was a big difference from ValuJet and PamAm) within a country or from different countries.
Culture need not refer to the ethnicity of the aviatiors, but the beliefs they have developed over time in regards to flying.
