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MH370 pilot 'made many turns to avoid detection' before jet vanished

The pilot of flight MH370 that disappeared seven years ago made numerous turns to avoid detection before the passenger jet took its final, fatal course, a new study found. MH370 vanished in March, 2014, with Malaysian Airlines Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah dying alongside 238 passengers and crew, including six Australians. The research by aerospace engineer Richard Godfrey, of the Independent Group of Scientists, set up to solve the MH370 mystery - found that the flight path of the Boeing 777 jet… ( More...

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Rico van Dijk 17
“But his research suggests the pilot had changed direction and speed multiple times to avoid giving any clear idea where he was heading.”

How can a research based on radio waves detect anything more than the change of speed and direction? The whole part after “to avoid” is suggestive and harmful to any real research, not to mention aviation as a whole and the family of the pilot.
John Yarno 4
Some person had to physically change the speed (and direction) as it was beyond the program abilities of the auto pilot. The person at the controls of an aircraft is usually referred to as the pilot.
David Masson 5
This is absolutely incorrect. If the FMC was programmed that way, it would have no problem changing speed and direction all on its own. You can program it to fly certain speeds at certain waypoints, and create your own waypoints using coordinates no problem. Source: I fly the 777.
Ric Wernicke 4
But to say the changes were made in a sinister way to "avoid" radar assumes facts not in evidence. The pilot may have been dealing with a still unknown emergency, and doing his best to save the plane. I am keeping an open mind until the airplane is found an investigation establishes the cause of the crash. One thing that I wonder is why it was carrying enough fuel to make it to 35 degrees South and West of Australia when the flight was from KUL to PEK?
linuxranch 1
WSPR signals reflecting from the aircraft, like low frequency "radar" would cause signals to be received in places where you would not expect them.

WSPR is transmitted at very low power levels. Without the aircraft acting as a reflector the signals should not have been detected.

By "connecting the dots" an appropriate path might be determined.
Greg S 13
It's all just wild-ass guessing based on uselessly small bits of information.
EMK69 6
>>>>The most likely scenario involved someone in the cockpit of Flight 370<<<<

Why not just leave it at that, w/o clear and irrefutable facts why put a name to what might, could, maybe, possibly, potentially have happened.
Kathleen Bangs 17
The smoking gun on that theory has always been, and will continue to be, then why did this pilot - who according to this story and others so meticulously and diabolically executed his master plan - why did he not ditch the jet?
Why did MH370 fly until it ran out of fuel?
Why would this pilot, who supposedly maintained such an obsessive detail to elude detection, then give up all control and simply let the jet fly until its fuel supply was exhausted? If he had ditched the jet in one piece it might have sunk instead of breaking into pieces that eventually washed up on various shores.
They’ve created this storyline of a diabolical mastermind...yet he leaves the most important detail, the landing, simply to chance?

The often overlooked smoking gun is that MH370 crashed out of control. After fuel exhaustion.
Sounds more like an incapacitated flight crew than a crime.
clarify 5
Your argument is far too speculative to be considered a "smoking gun". "Why did...?" "Why did...?" "Why would...?"
patrick baker 3
lacking any facts to hang your hat upon, like the rest of us, all we can do after months of speculation is to convene on flightaware and offer possiblilties without any certainty. I can strongly suggest that ditching any huge aiplane in one piece is fantasy, impossible. For sure the MH370 ran out of fuel. FOr sure we have a few pieces of the aircraft fished out ouf the ocean. Millions of dollars spent in the search patterns, thousands of hours spent flying holes in the sky, and we have nothing to show for it beyond log book entries. maddening isn't it???
Edward Bardes 2
I think the flight out over the ocean was done to make it impossible to find. If that's the case, then so far, it was a success.
Derek Vaughn 2
I thought I remembered the transponder being lost earlier rather than later. In other words, lost before getting very far on any course. It feels almost certainly to have been sabotage, but I guess something stranger could have occurred. In any case, we will never know.
Roy Hunte 3
I don't like to speculate, but there was a theory a while back that suggested an avionics bay fire that incapacitated the crew. If that was the case, couldn't a fire take out the transponder?
Derek Vaughn 8
It could have, but I don't think the plane would have continued on for very long.
Ralph Wigzell -2
Could be a botched hijacking attempt in which the hijackers inadvertently incapacitated themselves after seizing control of the plane and changing course.
Ric Wernicke 3
Neither Bruce Willis nor Steven Segall were booked on the flight, so that script is not likely.
flyincj 12
Something went wrong and no one truly knows why, including this guy. A true scientist will conduct an experiment that ends with a true conclusion. His theory ends with a hypothesis. I wish this site would ban all stories related to this horrible event unless true, conclusive evidence is found. Debris is hard evidence. Radio waves, not so much. My dad is an engineer and doesn't even know how to spell it (engineer).
Nitty gritty details are discussed on the mh360search web site. You can find a link to his research papers there. Calling them "research papers" is generous ... they are more like public notes he is making available as he develops his working hypothesis. I know a little bit about radar, and a fair bit about ionospheric radio propagation as a 40 year amateur radio user of the HF spectrum I remain skeptical that useful aircraft detections can be made from signal strength alone. Frequency data to filter returns from moving aircraft exploiting doppler shift is simply not available via WSPR.
patrick baker 4
may we assume that the many turns and course deviations were the product of at least one pilot, certainly not both? Has every stone been overturned in the examination of each pilot's background that might give a hint which one is the culprit? This conundrum has been a vexation to many for seven years plus. we have recovered debris, so the plane went into water somewhere, but little else from the plane or passengers has been recovered. Stay tuned for regular speculation and occasional real bits of fact. We sure could use a made-for-tv movie to help us all resolve this for all time.
Franky16 6
Wasn't there a report that investigators who were able to open the Chief Pilot's home computer found a lot of data on it that indicated he had planned this for some time, maps of the Indian ocean, etc, etc?
user3956 3
Yes, there was, not sure why most people seem to want to forget that little tidbit. The whole thing has screamed "it was the pilot" since that moment.
Greg77FA 2
Lots of theories - but lets face it - we will just never know. Even if find the plane, the pilots stories kind of make sense either way.
John Yarno 2
I suspect that we will never know for sure what happened unless the FDR is recovered with the recorder intact and undamaged. It would seem there is not much chance of that. Still this was a very significant bit of research. Hat tip to all who participated. There is a tiny chance it could narrow the search area a bit as well. I still hope they find it.
Colin Seftel 2
What has always puzzled me about this tragedy is why the most numerous and buoyant items in the aircraft, the seat cushions, have never washed up.
Remember that Air France flight? Some small debris would occasionally wash up, but it was few and far between. Not at all fitting the massive amount of floating debris that you would expect to see for such a large plane. It added to the whole mystery of what happened, and where the plane ended up.
Mylan Murray 1
With respect to the MH370 mystery, I have a strong feeling that after completing several tasks/checklists of nefarious intent, the very intelligent and highly skilled captain successfully executed the highly improbable feat of a successful ditching on the open ocean and the aircraft sank largely intact... If that plane 'crashed' with any force, the large jet's body surely would have been compromised to the extent that enough buoyant items would have become dislodged and separated from the aircraft therefore eventually being spotted by at least one mission of the extreme search response that followed the disappearance... These valiant efforts covered a massive swath of sea, yet not a single object related to the flight was spotted... With the exceptional number of highly advanced SAR flights taking part in that search effort, they almost certainly would have found some evidence of the world's largest* twin jet having gone down... I also feel that the reason for the PF having waited so long to attempt the ditch was at least threefold; one, to have full daylight conditions, two, to arrive in one of the most remote places on Earth, and three, that in the highly likely event that the fuel tank(s) were breached by the hard water touchdown, there would be minimal slick to be found by any potential search party in the event that some secret government agency was actually able to track the exact flight path to its conclusion and have someone get eyes on the "crash" location before the slick dissipated enough thus leaving no trace of the event...

And I may be wrong here but from what I have read about the 30-40? confirmed remnants that have since been discovered, are these not all parts and items that could have easily broken off or otherwise become dislodged during a triple 7 ditching on the high seas?...

I really hate to think this way, but from the known data, beginning from the time of the flight's initial irregularity and deviation, along with information that was known or discovered about the captain, a lot of what many presume about the MH370 flight of 8 March, 2014 makes sense with regard to intent... RIP lost souls.
Craig Good 1
Yeah, "study" belongs in scare quotes.
Franky16 1
Not much here that we didn't know of already...
wiregold 1
What does that "Ask a pilot" guy say about the crash? He had a pretty firm opinion on another famous plane crash where one engine bounced 6 miles from the crash site.
Based on the facts and the evidence available (pilot in command planned the flight in FSX to the Indian Ocean, debris washing up near Africa) i dont understand why people think the plane flew the planned track and something else (hijacking, avionics, etc) took the plane down.
M20ExecDriver 1
Some government agencies, here and abroad, know exactly what happened but to divulge that information would be giving away defense secrets. I suspect when that technology is obsolete,we'll here the truth.
You should see someone for that paranoia you have. Seriously...
Tony Clementi 0
So it was aliens
bbabis 0
This sounds more like a well concocted plan to make money off this tragedy than any well concocted plan the flightcrew may have had.
ImperialEagle 0
The idea that no one, especially the Chinese knows what happened is ridiculous and insulting.
ANYTHING that takes-off headed for the Mainland China is under observation. ANYTHING! A Dragonfly, a Bird, a Japanese Killer Hornet, EVERYTHING!
There is no way that ANY aircraft gets within 500 miles of the Chinese coast without detection and tracking. Period. They saw this guy coming and they know where he went.
Stop playing us!
clarify 1
Seriously, "a bird"?
ImperialEagle 2
Ok, so you don't get my sarcasm.
My point is that ANYTHING pointed to China (or Russia or the US or Israel, etc.) is under observation. Intelligence is so sophisticated at this point most people couldn't even begin to grasp the possibilities and realities.
And I agree. We will never know what really happened. The programmers will make sure of it.
You should see someone about that paranoia. Like seriously...
Brian McCarty 0
Another crackpot theory. Nothing to see here. Move along.
John Prukop 0
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Tony Walsh -4
I believe it went down in the South China Sea and the US and China know exactly what happened.
ImperialEagle -2
Ralph Wigzell -4
Somebody knows, there is no doubt.
Dead men (pilots) tell no tales, but chattering idiots sure do spew a lot of noise.

Look at flights on Flightaware. To and from many places over water, there are losses of active tracking. Even today, you can't track many planes 100% of the time. There is nothing nefarious about it. It's the limits of technology at this time.

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Colin Seftel 7
According to CNBC, there's only one US airline that made the top 10 safest airlines list in 2021. (
1. Qantas
2. Qatar Airways
3. Air New Zealand
4. Singapore Airlines
5. Emirates
6. Eva Air
7. Etihad Airways
8. Alaska Airlines
9. Cathay Pacific
10. British Airways
I'm surprised that Alaska Airlines is on the list, but...

Yeah, flying IS safe, but 'stuff happens'. Quantas had that plane incident a few years ago. It happens... Eventually, there will be another one.
C Anderson 1
You lost me at, "According to CNBC ..."
Randy Marco 0
That's because you are a lost soul "liking" what faux news says even though it's lies.
Kevin Sparks 0
Plenty of people think CNBC sucks as a news organization. Ever think of that? Or have you lost the ability to think, so you just post stupid stuff? Is that it?
Ric Wernicke 0
Greg S 9
You do realize that US airlines have also experienced crashes? I doubt there's any significant difference in the safety culture between any airline in the West.
jmilleratp -9
Go for it. I don't care what happens to you.
Steven Palmer 1
Let me remind you of the Dc-10 - where US airlines -- YES US airlines used forklifts to lift engines into position when changing them.
Then engines started falling off this aircraft (Western Airlines, United airlines 2 fatal accidents that spring to mind)
Of course this is not the professional way to do it and certainly not in the manufacturers maintenance schedules, but (and I am now putting on an American accent) 'hell dammit, its sure way quicker and saves one helluvalot of dollars'

You sir are a complete and utter fool!
Alaska DC that they were using the wrong grease for the jack screw. THEY KNEW they were using the wrong grease too!!! They were warned by the manufacturer to not use the grease they were using!

Another airline was using the wrong screws to secure the cockpit windows, and they lost a window, nearly sucking the flight crew out the open hole. (I think it was a foreign airline, but the chances of any airline using the wrong screws is possible.

You can't remove 'the human factor' entirely from any complex machine. You can only hope it's not your flight...
Jim Ward 1
Someday the human factor will
Be obsolete. Robots will be in charge. As I watch my new Roomba
Navigate my home and return to base and the vacuum sucks the dirt into the bag. No intervention
Jim Ward 2
AA 191 DC10 May 25,1979
John Yarno 1
You have one thing right. The maintenance crew did not follow the correct procedure when reinstalling the engine. Other than that, the pilot followed his training for "loss of engine", which meant the engine quit running, not was ripped from the wing taking hydraulics with it. All airlines flying the DC-10 received that same training. It likely was very similar for most airliners.
Kevin Sparks 1
They crashed their DC-10's? Wow! That must have been last week, huh? Guess I missed hearing about it.
It sounds similar to a crash that happened over 4 decades ago, but I'm sure you didn't mean that one. That would be kinda foolish, wouldn't it?
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion but, seriously...
jmilleratp -8
You're not from the United States, of course...
Ricco Wessian 0
When IRIDIUM NEXT is implemented universally the planes position will be known twice per second to an accuracy of 15 meters.

It is time to move forward and install it on all commercial airliners.


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