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Textron Flies Its Beechcraft Denali Turboprop Single For The First Time

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Textron Aviation’s single-engine turboprop, the Beechcraft Denali, made its first flight Tuesday (Nov. 23) from the company’s west campus at Eisenhower International Airport in Wichita, Kansas. (www.avweb.com) 기타...

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Doug Dornbos 2년 전 5

There are only three legitimate positions to enter the market with a product or service:
1. Better
2. Cheaper
3. Different
plus one illegitimate position:
4. Me too

There is nothing really wrong with "me too" but it typically does not breed loyalty.

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Chris B 2년 전 3

I’m sure production workers who built the King Air are anxious to see this new aircraft receive approval as soon as possible.

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Ron Streetenberger 2년 전 4

I doubt that Textron/Beechcraft will ever equal Pilatus products in quality. The PC12 is the Rolex of single turbo engine powered aircraft.

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21voyageur 2년 전 2

Once again, American technology is way behind (in this case decades!) the global competition (ex: direct competitor Pilatus PC-12) and is left with scrapping for leftovers. Does the US economy have enough appetite for a PC-12 "clone"? Considering the largest base of PC-12s is North America, where the aircraft is very popular, I cannot see how the market is there for Textron. IMHO, too little, too late. What was the board thinking?

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Roy Troughton 2년 전 2

I suppose you missed the bit about the new GE engine. Consuming 20% less fuel than older turboprop technologies sounds significant don’t you think? Sounds like American technology might be way ahead in this particular case.

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Jdoster1 2년 전 1

"Older turboprop technologies" and "UP TO 20%" being the key phrases.

"Up to" meaning in optimum conditions that won't often be met.
"Older turboprop technologies" meaning non-FADEC engines. Pratt has already responded with the EEC-equipped PT6E-67XP.

The few advantages that the Denali would have had, Pilatus/Pratt have already taken care of.

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Peter Fuller 2년 전 1

Not purely American technology: the GE Catalyst engine, although produced by a nominally USA-based multinational corporation, appears to be of European design, development, and manufacture, according to Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric_Catalyst

So the apparent competition:

Pilatus PC12, Swiss airframe with Canadian engine
vs
Textron/Beechcraft Denali, American airframe with European engine

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John Nichols 2년 전 1

At first glance the Beech has a shorter span and more dihedral...?

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Jamar Jackson 2년 전 1

PC-12 is a proven work horse. Hopefully they break even.

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Seb Seb 2년 전 1

How will plane spotters be able to differentiate this from a PC12 in the air, or even on the ramp?

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Chris B 2년 전 1

Cessna windows are more oval, like the King Air, undercarriage design, cockpit windows, tailplain are all easy to spot difference.

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jamesgmitchell 2년 전 1

It’s the one made using additive manufacturing that reduces parts count, engine weight, and increases specific fuel efficiency. Whether that and other changes make it successful against a PC12 is a good question.

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patrick baker 2년 전 1

the dominant quality of pilatus would persuade me , not the 20% hype on fuel from beech. Beech has nothing else to offer beyond the fuel efficiency

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John Nichols 2년 전 1

20 percent is a massive improvement and stands alone as a reason to purchase the Denali. If it is but 10 percent, well, run the numbers.

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Sidney Smith 2년 전 1

IS the Catalyst engine from GE the Walther turbo shaft design or some variant?

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Peter Fuller 2년 전 2

GE calls it an “ all-new clean sheet engine”
https://www.geaviation.com/bga/engines/ge-catalyst

Wikipedia article describes design details and such
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric_Catalyst

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Roy Troughton 2년 전 1

Nice to finally have a modern American built competitor to the PC12. The early production models of the PC12 are now 27 years old. The potential game changer here is that new GE engine which they claim consumes 20% less fuel. That’s rather significant particularly with fuel prices on the rise.

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Paul Wisgerhof 2년 전 1

The Denali cabin is two inches shorter, three inches wider, and the same height as the Pilatus PC-12NGX. Full fuel payload is identical. Range and speed are the same. Why didn't Beechcraft just buy a license from Pilatus to build the Denali in Kansas?

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Jeff Phipps 2년 전 4

That’s like saying why doesn’t GM license the right to build F150’s from Ford. They obviously think they can build a better plane and make money doing it.

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21voyageur 2년 전 3

But Pilatus has set the gold standard, has a strong installed base and at this stage, the Denali will be a late "me to" solution. The other alternative is that Textron, with all its business lines, could have simply stopped the program and should have done so a decade ago. IMHO, poor myopic business decision.

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John Nichols 2년 전 1

I guess wait and see?

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Franco Prizzi 2년 전 0

Apart from the name.

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Roy Troughton 2년 전 1

With this kind of logic then Airbus should never have built the A320. They should just asked Boeing to build the 737 under license!

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Textron Flies Its Beechcraft Denali Turboprop Single For The First Time

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