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IATA Set To Combat Greta Thunberg’s Flight Shaming Movement

The aviation industry is set to launch a campaign to combat the growing flight shaming movement led by Greta Thunberg. The campaign comes as weakened demand has been reported in Europe. (simpleflying.com) 기타...

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Thank God. Now maybe I'll have an open center seat on my next flight.
I was thinking the same thing. Less folks on the plane, the more comfortable the flight.
Tim Burga 15
Oh good, I was afraid there might be a tiny corner of my life that wasn't yet infected with politics but this thread on FlightAware has assured me no such thing exists.
mbrews -1
- I guess we can thank MH370 for keeping Thunberg in the limelight, which is the Green's propaganda aim. Is the brainwashed young victim still stuck in Chile ? If so, probably besieged by anarchists in the streets of Santiago, waiting to bum a ride on some non-polluting magic carpet, back across the Atlantic :)

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Courageous? Why isn’t she taking her hissy fit to China, North Korea, Venezuela or anywhere in the Middle East to scold them for the error of THEIR ways?
Kobe Hunte 15
Yeah China barely ever sees blue skies.. All from pollution
Kobe Hunte 12
Yeah exactly. They would look at her and send her back where she came from.
Roger, is your ignorance an art, a skill, or a talent? This brainwashed little mind of mush is a left wing prop and her 15 minutes has expired. Time for her to go back to mommy and daddy.
It's Mommy and Daddy that are pushing her! The kid hasn't got a chance.
dkenna 7
I can see how a 16 y/o Swedish girl can be frustrated with the inaction of politicians. With all of her experience in life and knowledge of global economics, we should stop everything and listen to what she has to say. When I was 16, I had ALL the answers too, but I was too busy chasing girls and being a kid to voice those answers to the world.

Is there a sarcasm emoji by the way??
CO2 is .0004 of the atmosphere, and is distributed like other gases. It’s a colorless odorless plant food. Water vapor is the real green house gas. Except for rain and clouds and such, water vapor must be an existential threat to the planet. It does cause airplanes to crash from time to time. Let’s get rid of it! Morons of the world unite!
Why can’t she be all three things? Courageous, frustrated, and brainwashed. And if true, why is calling attention to her last trait out of line?
Mike Mohle 0
More like "Useful Idiot".
So ... CLOTHING pollutes 4x as much. Complainers should get naked.
I understand the little brat took a sailboat to America while her entourage flew to America!
Worse part is, she is so stupid, she can't find a way home they doesn't involve fuel. Her couple months of fame should end soon. Someone should kidnap her and drop her of in a refugee camp in Syria.
Mike Mohle 2
She will drive them crazy. They won't want her. She just scream at all of them for ruining her future.

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It’s because the ‘Deniers’ (as you label them) haven’t drunk the Kool-Aid. For most of us, wisdom comes with age. Youth comes with it’s benefits (energy, idealism, imagination), but wisdom must be earned with time and fostering a mind that stays open to learning. And it is the wise that see the climate scare-mongers for what they are. Everyone believes the world would be a better place, if only they had complete control. That is what is truly scary about these events.
dkenna 1
Why , so , many , spaces and commas , in this post.............?
Really wish political stuff like this didn't make it to FlightAware
canuck44 9
This is an aviation forum and aviation as a whole has been made the target of a movement that is as much a religion to the believers as it is political. Putting their motives and lack of factual data aside, the outcome of their actions will impact everyone. If we declare policy changes political and not to be discussed, we have are heads in a dark, odoriferous location.
My hat is off to you. I think this is the most enlightened and reasonable post in this discussion.
mbrews 4
- I agree. Very well put, canuck44. As a climate SKEPTIC, I choose reason and analysis to weigh scientific evidence. The language of climate religion is very revealing. They use the words "climate denier " to label skeptics as Heretics to their articles of faith. Especially in academia, the tactics smack of the Inquisition.
s2v8377 4
This is an aviation industry story and is relevant to FlightAware.
Soon as it says 'Greta' its political.
If cities really wanted to cut down carbon emissions, they should pull cars off the roads and invest in public transportation, which has benefits beyond environmental benefits.
I agree, take away everyone's car, start classes in walking and hitch hiking, only Washington politicians should have chauffeured SUV's to ride in.
canuck44 0
You would have to include electric cars for it turns out they are more energy pigs than fossil fuel. Besides the generation and transmission of power the mining and refining of the lithium is energy bleeding, but tends to kill the folks doing the recovery as radioactive material has to be separated. This is why there are no active lithium refining in the USA although one is planned in Texas.
Brock Nanson -1
OK, now you've confirmed yourself to be operating entirely without knowledge. Everything you just said is completely wrong.

This will not go over well.
Ridiculous campaign, flying is the greatest timesaving method of transport! Enabled so much prosperity from business to tourism. How much time do ppl have, going on 2 week long sea crossings like its the 1800s.

All for the huge hoax/myth/money waster of climate change...

When's the Tesla plane coming out?
I don't give a damn to a 16er who doesn't have any knowledge about environmental physics. She obviously follows the copycat that someone who makes great profits in the "green" industry gives her.
The irony in your statement is hilarious.
Yes, if it wasn’t so incredibly sad.
bruce wilkie 2
keep flying until there is no oxygen left to allow jet fuel combustion.
Dan Grelinger 1
I hope that was in jest. There is absolutely no basis for that happening.
I wonder if Greta knows what Nobel does that contributes so much to the economy of her country? Or Volvo? Or Saab ?
Social media and video games will ruin the world! Suggest we start a movement to ban all Facebook, Twitter, etc: , and any Violent video games!
I you want to talk to someone, do it the old fashion way! Pick up a real telephone and call them!
"Just Saying"
So ... CLOTHING pollutes 4x as much. Complainers should get naked.
Who the hell cares what Greta says.
Looking forward to the day she & David Hogg not only have their comeuppance, but end up forgotten by everyone. I would go on but am mindful of the backlash....
The weak minded...
Those downvoting my comment have self-identified themselves as such.
ferminbf -4
Actually, many dumb and dumber people is kinda hysteric making lot of noise because of all that crappy climate change urban legend....
bizprop 5
Why otherwise educated and Intelligent people buy into this crap is beyond me. If the best you’ve got is some indoctrinated angry sixteen year old then you’ve got a lot of work to do.
Unfortunately, many of these comments are not worth the time to read and are evidence of a dearth of thinking. Greta has a perfect right to believe and communicate her thoughts on the very critical subject of climate change.
Dan Grelinger 4
Ha, now that is funny. You deny everyone else the right to believe and communicate their thoughts, unless they agree with you. Now, that was worth reading!
be400cpt 5
who is this Greta chick and why does anyone care?
A 16 year old with Aspergers syndrome. The obsessive personality that accompanies it has been hi-jacked by her parents and ‘green’ activists to promote their agenda.
When did so called "informed adults" become ruled by ill informed children. Time to end this nonsense in our aviation industry and throughout the world.
This young girl is a rude and disrespectful upstart. She should return to school like most 16 year olds whereupon she may learn some manners if she pays attention.
ferminbf 2
I’m just wondering, how is Greta traveling around the world…. By horse, bicycle, hiking, Langskip, Knörr (ancient Viking ships) ????
She crossed the Atlantic in a carbon neutral yacht and turned down a lot meetings due to the amount of travel required.
Yes thats more accurate than what I said.
She traveled to the US in a racing sailboat, if i'm correct. Then she had crew fly out to her to replace existing crew. Smart eh?
layman85 2
False. Her crew sailed back to Europe as they were training for a race that required mileage to qualify.
I am so glad we have you to give us the facts. I used to trust the Wall Street Journal, but now I put all of my trust in layman85.

Here are the lies that the Wall Street is spreading...


‘Greta’s voyage has had its own critics, who have pointed out that some members of the sailing crew will return by plane, while others fly in to sail the boat back to Europe. Boris Herrmann, captain of the sailboat, Malizia II, said that the criticism was expected but that Greta shouldn’t be held responsible for the flights by crew members. “We are kind of the ferry to bring her over. We’re a professional sailing team and sometimes we need to fly. The trip is an example of how difficult it is to have zero carbon impact.”’
As seen in the comments on the page linked to for the article, using a sailboat might be carbon neutral, but it is anything but to manufacture it. She does not realize that such takes place and at a higher rate than flying.
She's brilliant then, absolutely brilliant. I bet a plane flight to America puts out less pollution than manufacturing a sailboat.
layman85 1
I hope the officials of the IMOCA class are listening! The smoking section at Western Sizzlin is saying that this crew didn’t actually sail these miles.
If you can believe those lying climate change deniers at the Wall Street Journal, it is the captain of the sailboat that is saying that the crew did not all sail back, some took a plane back, and some took a plane to the U.S. to sail the plane back.

Is your post an admission of spreading falsehoods? Or do you claim your veracity is better than the Wall Street Journa?
canuck44 2
She is a scripted 16 year old useful idiot funded in part by George Soros. Like David "Camera" Hogg, the anti-gun teenagers, she will be cast aside as her usefulness fades. Notice she doesn't attack any of the world's major carbon polluters China or India.

The alarmists have a new theme as a flawed study proclaiming 11,000 plus scientists have jumped on the fear wagon. The problem is only 240 of them are actual meteorologists, climate scientists or atmosphere researchers. The list includes an OB-GYN, a gender studies academic, psychologists, numerous "journalists", etc. However, because few will look at the list, the media will proclaim the veracity of the dogma until the next useful idiot comes along...while the earth continues to cool in its normal cycle..
Mike Mohle 2
C'mon, Gender Studies, now that is a "real" degree, sure to get the big bucks in Acadamia but useless in real life.
ToddBaldwin3 0
You make some pretty specific claims there. Since I like to verify things, can you provide some references or citations supporting your statements?
canuck44 , can i suspect you or family members work in the Oil industries in Alberta ?
canuck44 10
No actually I am a refugee from the Canadian Health care system living in Florida for the last 30 years, but as one who as a hobby studies history of science and the military, I am bemused by the same pattern repeating for all the topics of the left. Declare a crisis, find a semi-sympathetic (more pathetic) spokesperson or symbol, promote it in the friendly media, declare a dogma, demand government (taxpayer) policy always dipping into the trough for friends. The average life of these individuals is two years until the left moves on to the next crisis and dredges up another useful idiot upon which the media can dwell.

Climate Change has become a religion even as research and data eat away at the narrative. The Chicken Little number du jour is 12 years repeated continuously with no science behind it and no even unmanipulated data to support it.

You will notice the world expert on polar bear populations was just fired by the University of Victoria for debunking the Alarmist narrative when she released data showing the bear population is many times previously reported and places like Fort Churchill have a problem with overpopulation. That does not matter to the Climate Mullahs who demanded she be fired and the University did so. This represents everything you need to know about the veracity of the dogma.
sorry , i don't buy your denials . Of course it appears as though the divide will continue . But is such a high stacks game , you'd better be sure . We might not have the time to correct the damage when you are proved wrong ...Thanks for your response however . It is appreciated ........DGR
canuck44 6
There were no denials in my posting, only observations and reporting of events. Of course there is a divide but the fulcrum will change. "Settled Science" told us the world was flat but gradually observations swung that consensus to the current thinking although a few flat earth types persist. Climate change however is ideal for the left as the endpoint is well beyond so they are able to peddle the dogma based on computer projections which to date 100% have been wrong. The problem they face is that everyone knows climate change is real, but what is not necessarily real is that man is responsible for change and skepticism is enhanced when manipulation of data, cherry picking, suppression of data and selection of advantageous starting points are exposed.
Umm.. So since our beloved aviation industry is in fact acknowledging environmental issues and is in fact working hard towards more efficiency, less carbon, less noise, etc., how (and why) is Greta so wrong about spurring this along? Why the hate? The planet does have a problem, ya know..! Or maybe you don't?
Hal, Hal, Hal, Climate Change?? Global warming, you are misinformed, not the rest of us, a couple of million years of documented cyclical changes to climate are well published, but all of a sudden cows, jets and SUV's are ruining life on earth. Listen follow your Goddesses, AOC and Warren, they will lead all you lemmings into the sea, thank god for that, we only have to wait 12 years until you are all gone...whew!
Well, Dan and Mark, what are we actually arguing about? Sounds like you agree that Climate Change is inevitable and part of this planet’s natural cycle. If so, no argument there. The science shows that every cycle snuffed out most life on Earth. I hope we can all agree with that.

So the question is, what’s the Kool Aid I’m, supposedly drinking? Is it that I’m believing a majority of scientists, NASA, the ISS data, and all the climate agencies on Earth that tell us it’s happening faster than we thought. If so, it’s seems to be the only thing we differ on.

Thus I seem to have missed the “Deniers’” argument. Perhaps the point is more moral than idealogical? If a meteor the size of the Gulf of Mexico were heading towards Earth, we could shrug and say, hey that’s life, it’s happened before. Or we could put our heads together and see what we can do to deflect, delay, or mitigate it, even if it's inevitable--we can see we tried. Or do we do nothing and blame "the meteor" on Greta..

My observation is that the industry has already decided to take (Kool Aid) action, while the Deniers have decided to demonise Greta.
Dan Grelinger -3
The science does NOT show that every climate change snuffed out most life on Earth. Science DOES show that when the earth was warmer than it is now, life flourished. When it was colder, life suffered. Since I am a living creature, the oft forecasted ice age would scare me. Where I live now would turn into a glacier.

There is little science in ‘climate science’. Not because of anyone’s fault, but because the climate does not lend itself to the scientific method, which by the way, encourages doubt and questioning. In today’s political ‘climate’, those who are easily alarmed (they exist in all times) have been been stirred into a frenzy that is more religion than science.

The reason that this is important is because the real and PROVEN danger to civilizations is tyranny. Over and over in history, tyrants manufacture or use crisis in order to seize power. It is this PROVEN danger that I would like to avoid. Those who are most on the bandwagon touting that humans are responsible for doing something about climate change very clearly are out to damage standards of living and limit population growth. And of course, centralization of power is necessary to accomplish those things. Much like has happened in other tyrannies, such as in China.

Those who willingly are tools for the tyrants-in-waiting will receive my ire.
You’ve drank the Kool-Aid. But not all hope is lost for you. Start asking probing questions. What you’ll find is that once you start to question the ‘science’ behind climate change, you will be labelled, abused, shutdown, ridiculed and shamed. But no real answers will be forthcoming. That will be your clue that there is something amiss.
Russ Brown 1
"And a little child shall lead them."
mbrews 11
- No. the little child is the one being led as a sympathetic stage prop, by unprincipled zealots who want political power to pursue a utopian agenda. Notice you won't see Greta being paraded anywhere in China. China is the largest, fastest growing source of air pollution. The shameless ones pushing poor little Greta onto Western nation stages are elitists, eager to dictate Everyones energy choices.
I certainly could do without such ‘leadership’. She is a tool for the liberals trying to build their New World Order tyranny.
Great opportunity to make yourselves stand out in the crowd. Pick out a Nobel Peace prize nominee, who is autistic but who is so engaging that she has been invited to address the UN on Climate Change issues, and then target her with an ad campaign to push for allowing multiple pollution models. This is a really smart, no, make that a genius operation. Please be sure and claim your prize for coming up with the entire campaign. Please.
A total waste of money
Interesting how grown men are so easily triggered by a 16 year old girl... says more about them than it does about her.
usad 0
Wait until someone realizes that nurseries actually purchase and install CO2 generators to promote plant growth in green houses! Oh, wait a minute...that would me CO2 is a good thing. Wouldn't it?
Ken Hardy -6
This girl has all the answers, she should run for the Democratic nomination for President of the US, she would be a great fit with the current group of day dreamers like Warren and Sanders. I wonder if she is an investor in Al Gores company that sells carbon credits? Is there a chance she can sue the Wright Brothers for starting this mess ?
I think you just made the mistake of posting a comment to do with that. Not the place for it.
I love it! It's all their fault! (Wright Boos) them and all those birds!
USA doesn't want that uninformed idiot.
I find it surprising that this young Lady , who has my personal support has been drawing such high powered putdowns . If what Greta has been speaking , is patently un true , no one would pay her any attention . Global warming and climate change is here . Wishing it away , will not change this fact . And please don't show your ignorance by telling me it is cold and snowing outside your door , and therefore it is all Lies !! IATA oddly enough trotted out their Stats about pollution , but also deny Greta's are wrong .Carbon based ,oil based fuels will have to be reduced ........Thats my position ..I'd like to hear any comments .....DGR
Your surprise is due to you not attempting to understand what is really going on, but just accepting what people tell you. Open your mind, start asking good questions, probe deep. You mischaracterize those you feel are your adversaries as being idiots and therefore make no effort to understand things from all perspectives.
No... they are idiots. Belief requires the suspension of critical thought, which is what deniers do.

Same requirement to believe in Santa Claus.

Odd that none have the credentials to critique climate science work, yet feel it’s their duty to do so anyway. SMH.
Dan Grelinger -1
You seem to have a theme going here. “If you don’t agree with my beliefs, you are an idiot.” Very wise...
Brock Nanson 1
Congrats on missing the obvious. Science isn't belief, which was my point. Being a denier is much like believing in Santa Claus. All the evidence points to him not existing, yet you want to BELIEVE, so you do. You apparently accept Bernoulli's Principle, because you accept that a plane can fly. Yet you can't accept science that doesn't fit your narrative?

In the case of climate change denialism, it's mostly about fear... fear of the future, fear of not being in control. Fear that can't be overcome - mostly due to cowardice.
Dan Grelinger 2
You have missed the obvious. Climate ‘science’ is not science. Which is one of the reasons there is so much reliance on consensus. Consensus is the only thing left when science doesn’t work.

You give yourself away by labeling others. Only those who can’t substantiate their beliefs do that.
DGR, See my comments in response to Mark and Dan above. We are definitely in a minority on this forum!
Which I find incredibly disheartening. There should be more intellectual power in this group, yet the comments suggest exactly the opposite. Very sad.
Dan Grelinger 0
And there’s another one!
It is not the aviation industry that is the big polluters. Back when I was an automobile mechanic, I was also an emissions testing technician in the Metro Atlanta area. We had to take classes to get certified to do such. There are many different sources of hydrocarbon emissions and it isn't just airplanes as noted in the article. Mobile and stationary devices or businesses all contribute.

Why does Southern California have such long commute times? https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/11/06/survey-la-ranks-1-most-stressful-commute-in-us/

Why is the commute around Metro Atlanta so bad? https://atlanta.curbed.com/2018/6/22/17492552/atlanta-traffic-commutes-nation-study

Due to the kind of work I do, I have no choice but to drive as an inspector. It has taken me 1.5 hours to drive 15 miles, through the middle of Atlanta, east to west trying to avoid the choked interstates at rush hour. There are those who sit in traffic for up to 2 hours.

What do both SoCal and Metro Atlanta have in common? Educated peoples who live outside of Atlanta or LA (or any other number of cities in SoCal) and thought it better to drive so far than live closer to work due to possible other issues.

I have asked what people are willing to give up to help combat climate change and the biggest thing people will not give up are their own motor vehicles. They also do not want to forgo electricity, even if from some sort of hydrocarbon powered plant. No one wants to push for more nuclear power plants to wean ourselves off of coal or some type of fuel. Until those who want people to give up flying gets rid of their own pollution creating devices and move into a cave, don't try to tell others what or how they can use for their lives.
Ken Hardy -1
A major cold wave is sweeping in over the middle and eastern part of the US, predictions are that records will be broken and we have global warming to thank for this, Greta and AOC told us the world will be finished in 12 years, now its down to 10. Time to quit pooping which adds to the CO2 level, throw away those clothes which also add to the CO2, go naked, you will be saving the planet
Tom Spann -5
you cannot fix stupid You are beyond help
Ok then.
SMH. All the "strawman" arguments invoked by the mere mention of a 16 year old. I'm thinking many of you agree with her but you can't voice your aupport for fear of losing tribal membership.
Then you commit the error of underestimating others...
Amen Roger, but I had to poke him

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brock55 24
Based on your statement the same could be said about all the cars on the road. All are headed in the same direction on the highway. If airplanes, according to the article are only 2.5%, then where is the rest coming from? Aviation is easy to blame but not the major problem.
Hey, social media 'shaming' is a lot worse than this. There is more problems that need to be figured out, not just flight shaming.
Not saying anything against @brock55. Totally agree.
Ron Goes 2
It's statistically impossible to fill all flights. Airline load factors easily show at least 70% of seats filled. The RJs aren't always full but they burn close to turboprop fuel burns and a lot less fuel per seat on the shorter sectors. That's per seat.
You don't fly or get out much, do you?
aka hermit
You need to start marking your comments as sarcasm, otherwise people will think you actually believe this. :)


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