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Tug crushed by American Airlines 737 at La Guardia Airport

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Earlier today, an American Airlines Boeing 737-800 with registration N949NN was being towed to the gate... (www.aviationweekly.org) 기타...

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emkostiuk
Ed Kostiuk 24
We have an employee like that..........always says "not my fault" or "I'm an expert so it could not be my fault." My favorite was telling me he used to train tug operations for an FBO, who would not hire him back, this after I wrote him up for towing in high winds with a tail stand still attached to the Caravan.

Thanks for the video I can use it during my safety briefs.
royhunte92
That person sounds like an 'expert' in carelessness.
sparkie624
There are employees like that everywhere! You are not alone!
btweston
btweston 1
Sorry, I can’t find where the article says anything like that.
stansdds
There are some physics lessons in play here, those regarding mass, velocity, and momentum.
tlfys1
tlfys1 8
And the physics of how fast the funds in this tug diver's bank account will now start to disappear
augerin
...that's realativty for ya....
sparkie624
Probably not... He may get fired or prosecuted if he was under the influence of something that he should not have been... If he was legal, he will probably just get 3 days off without pay and the union will fight for him!
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 3
With help so hard to come by these days, you're probably right,Sparkie.
btweston
btweston 1
It must be cool to be so excited about having never made a mistake.
flybd5juan
One of these days the dimwits news outlets assign to write these stories will figure out the difference between a hanger and a hangar.
Decosse
Decosse 5
One can only hope. It would also be nice if people would remember that "brakes" are what stops a vehicle... unless something "breaks".
pkslayton
You sir, are an optimist.
sparkie624
sparkie624 -1
Wanna Bet!
chugheset
"Taken to the hospital as a precaution" AND to get a drug test.
sparkie624
If he test positive to any level for Drugs or Alcohol or Drugs, he will not only be fired, but turned over to the police for Prosecution. If he is a Licensed Pilot or Mechanic, then he will also lose his license for life... I have no sympathy for someone working with me under the influence of either!
augerin
...you got my vote today sparkie...you've hit it right on the nose!...
bobbylykins
I jack-knifed the very first plane I ever pushed off a gate (727-200 at Terminal 1 LAX in 1978). 33 years later with hundreds of pushbacks and tows, my record stood at 1 when I retired. The number 1 rule on ramp movements of any kind is SPEED! Not sure what his mindset was dialed in to, but it sure wasn't on how fast he was going. I was surprised to also see the turn radius he was attempting and why he breached it, but again speed plays a big part in turning control. With the momentum of the aircraft, he didn't stand a chance of recovery. He's lucky he wasn't injured or killed.
sparkie624
He exceeded the Turn limits of that plane in the worst kind of way... to say the least... In 43 years, I have never had that to happen to me, but my tow instructor put me through it in training... We had to tow a plane from the Gate to the Hangar a long time ago... Went to push the plane off the gate and he said... Push it all the way to the hangar!....... UGH... that is over a MILE! he said Yeap!!! so there we went...5 Major 90 Degree turns once I started the push off the gate, I never stopped til I was in front hangar, and that is because we had to get the Wing Walkers in place... Continued to push it all the way in the Hangar into the Tail Doc! He signed me off for tow without an issue! - BTW, that was a 737-200 Aircraft!
LeanderWilliams
I was skeptical when I saw the headline Tug Crushed. It should have said damaged. A tug is a pretty solid vehicle under the operator cockpit. Maybe these tug operators need a refresher course, like the operator in Alaska that didn't secure that 747-8.
sparkie624
Someone is going to get Drug Tested... Having driven many Tugs as a Mechanic over the years.. I cannot fathom the fact that this was not a preventable incident. I guess that American needs to add 1 more mechanic to their wanted list...
MichaelOMeara
AA is saving a lot on "contract" employees. Hope it's worth it for them!
flitec
Tug driver tows J-41 to the hangar with no ground guides. both wing hit partially open hangar door and pulls nose gear from airframe . both props, engines and airframe totaled out.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Not surprising... Hopefully the Tug Operator was totaled out as well.
kenbadger1
Ken Riehl 2
Tug crushed???
Hardly…
Aircraft out of service…
Yup…
johntaylor571
It amazes me that commercial aviation doesn't make brake riders mandatory on tow jobs. Especially considering that most airports can have so much equipment as well as other aircraft in the immediate vicinity of the ground movement operations.
sparkie624
sparkie624 -1
Each Airline sets the policy and the FAA Buys off on it... The Airline is financial responsible for any damage (even if it was not their plane) and that can get expensive, but they have insurance just like we do for cars. If you are ever a Break Rider and you are on a Long Tow and want to PO your Tug Driver, once he gets up to speed, smack the brakes and watch him fly forward! Heads up... Be ready for retaliation.. :)
bidrec
Another angle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDOUn554DUI
ddieterich
Richard, This video confirms the front wheels of the aircraft are hanging in the air (off the ground). It is difficult to see this in the photo in the article unless you look for the shadows. The shadows for the front wheels of the aircraft are off the the left of the photo.
madrockradio
Last part of the URL is DUI... Hmm, coincidence? 😂
sparkie624
It is clear what happened... He was towing way to fast, went into a sharp turn and the plane had too much momentum to stop. Tow Bar Pins sheared and the plane continued its course... If it had not run over the tug, it would have probably been a lot worse running into a Jetway or another plane.
mpenney
Momentum will get you every time you do not plan for it.
frogandtoad
Interesting comments from a few who have never towed an aircraft or if they have only a "light aircraft" the big aircraft are a lot different than a Cessna 172 - DON'T judge the poor guy till the investergation done -
By the way American / United / Air Canada / and British Aireways - use ramp staff to drive the tow tugs and NO brake riders - So one can assume there was no one in the cockpit to appy the brakes when the tow bar broke. Maintanence Tows are by mechanics and do have brake riders -
sparkie624
Not sure who you may be referring, But I have towed large A/C with that size tug and not just GA Birds.... I have been trained how to do it and how to do it safely.. I saw in the video what happened. He was going way to fast and careless and the plane did not appear to be properly powered (No Nav Lt or Beacon and probably no Hydraulics! It is true they use, but if they don't use Break Riders.. that is there problem... I won't move an a/c with out one!
fireftr
Very true! A brake rider is an extra safety measure, and an extra pair of ears and eyes up high to help or notify the tug driver of any dangers or problems, (Or excessive speed)!
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
There is a foot and partial leg in view on the tug. After noticing that, it's even harder to figure out how that driver wasn't seriously hurt. I can't figure out how he fit under there without being crushed. One unfortunate, but yet lucky guy.
Skip737
AA Profit Sharing will not happen this year as a result. This accident will be in the permanent employee file so that when this happens again we can fire you.

OK Captain your clear to turn One!
sparkie624
Will play little role as they have spare aircraft and Insurance will pay the bill on it.
Skip737
You're missing the humor in the comment. Insurance will cover for their loss with higher premiums to AA. No such thing as "spare aircraft" in the airline world. It's either in service or in maintenance.
sparkie624
By today's standards with the Pilot Shortage, they always have spares as they do not have the crews to fly them... Right now, we have 2 Spares in every base ready to go at a moments notice. I guess I did miss the Humor on it... Besides, AA Probably not setup for profit anyway, it will probably ding them a little however!
bartmiller
The tug driver seem to turn the nose gear of the plane to a pretty extreme angle. Can any of you with 737 experience say what is the turning limit on that gear?

On any of the planes that I've flown, this would have been too far and likely damaged the nose gear.
JetMech24
JetMech24 2
Under normal conditions, you can't exceed 78 degrees tow angle which is a vertical stripe on the gear door so the tug driver always has a visual reference easily seen to not exceed the angle. The maintenance manual has procedures for exceeding this angle if it is really necessary, but was probably not implemented in this case. Since he was "pulling" the plane, instead of "pushing" it, he probably wasn't even watching his tow angle, on top of the excessive speed the video appears to show, if the video is not sped up.
jmadunleavy
John D 1
So, is the aircraft damaged? It seems to still be at LGA since 8-1-22
sparkie624
LOL.. look where the tug is.. Lots of damage, and the A/C being towed the way that nose gear got swung around, I am sure it is damaged as well.
jmadunleavy
John D 1
MY bad, have not looked at the video yet :)
jmadunleavy
John D 1
Sparkie, just watched the YouTube video, oh yeah. That is a mess. Be curious to see what it takes to repair that damage. Too bad there is not a way to delete a comment. I should have looked first.
sparkie624
to delete a comment... LOL, all of us have wished for that feature and have asked for it... From experience of working with this type of damage, chances are boeing will come in to fix the one that is on top of the tug. They will probably park it somewhere and put a tent over it... They will need to put the airframe in a cradle and probably straighten it. that plane will probably be AOS for 6 Months. the one with the Spun Nose Gear, that will probably be in the hangar a couple of days, probably getting the entire Nose Gear replace and Bulkhead inspections. - IMHO!
ghstark
Greg S 1
I suspect the video was sped up a bit, I can't believe he was going that fast. Looks like he failed to straighten out during the turn for some unknown reason and the rest is history.
linbb
linbb 4
Could have been the fellow who should have kept the speed down was not on his game and let it build up tug driver doesnt apply the AC brakes.
sparkie624
He may have applied the breaks, but not have had adequate brake pressure. Make note, this plane appears not to have power on the A/c... The Accumulators won't take much to bleed down before there are no brakes... This tow is probably going to have 2 people to blame.. the Brake rider if there was one and the tow Driver.
johntaylor571
If an accumulator bleeds down that fast, it has an internal leak and needs changing. That accumulator should be able to hold for long enough to two that aircraft anywhere on the field.
sparkie624
I have seen some pretty fast tug drivers... Keep in mind that mgmt is always on their back to get things moving to prevent delays and then around tell you that you should not have been moving so fast when an incident happens... I would say by the way he was under the other aircraft and sideways that he was moving at a pretty good pace to say the least!
charlie02vy
You ought to watch towing at Miami International.....
Russellandlauren
Very Very Lucky to be alive. At police academy they had a saying, God watches over cops and fools. Well this fool I suspect used up his get out of jail free card to the eternal afterlife. Hmmm, Make marijuana legal they said, Harmless they said? Darwin Award candidate 2022. Proper noun. Darwin Award (plural Darwin Awards) (humorous) One of the international honors awarded to people who supposedly help to improve the human gene pool by "removing themselves from it in a spectacularly stupid manner."
jeffinsydney
Definition of 'Sweeping Statement', and you have provided a definition ....... seriously?
fireftr
He was lucky he got away with just an underwear change!
sparkie624
LOL... If he was a COP, he was certainly Under Cover (Quite a few tons of cover).. But I am leaning to the Fool side of it on this occasion.
linbb
linbb -3
Thanks for playing dont understand all of you babbling about it nothing of value have a great day.
There should have been someone in the AC in position to monitor the move and apply the brakes as needed. Beyond the video being speeded up could have been a problem with the person who should have applied braking as needed the tug driver doesnt have any way to do it.
Russellandlauren
so not being a pilot myself, is there normally always someone in the plane? to brake? And if there was not? Then why did the tug driver pull it? wouldn't that violate some procedure to prevent this. Some required precheck and communication?
sparkie624
Every company is different, but with that said, every company that I have worked for has required a Brake Rider in the Cockpit that has been appropriately checked out on how to apply Hydraulics and save towing procedures.
fireftr
Exactly!
Russellandlauren
interesting so i wonder why the article dosnt mention no one applied the brakes in AC inferring that the tug driver was to blame?
fireftr
The tug driver was to blame. Ya, there should have been a brake rider in the cockpit, but everything started with excessive speed by the tug driver!
tomhines
Implying. You are inferring.
sparkie624
How could they... They did not have power on the A/C and did not appear to be anyone in the cockpit.
johntaylor571
If the 737 is anything like it's uncle the KC-135, there is a reserve brake accumulator that uses battery power to run the electrical pump.You can count on at least two solid brake applications but generally as many four or five. But that does no good without a brake rider.
fireftr
The tug driver is responsible for the maneuvering and speed he’s towing the plane. The brake rider is there to assist.
Ageorge97
Alan Jorge -2
What a bunch of jump to conclusinest. How just shut your trap until the “facts” ( y Okk u remember thiose pre Donald Trump data points) are known.
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
Um - WHAT?

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