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Delta pushes airlines to create a national 'no fly' list of unruly passengers, after banning 1,600 people from its flights

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Delta wants a national "no fly" list of unruly passengers, it said in a memo seen by Reuters. Delta has put 1,600 passengers on its own "no fly" list, it said in the memo. "A list of banned customers doesn't work as well if that customer can fly with another airline," it said. Delta Air Lines wants to create a national "no fly" list of banned passengers to prevent unruly behaviour onboard aircraft. The carrier has pushed other US airlines to share… (www.yahoo.com) 기타...

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Smyddy99
Just do it already. Someone starts a bar fight, the get banned. Long overdue
PANATIVE
Flying is a priviledge not a right. Dust off your manners…it can’t be that hard, can it?

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Propwash122
An airline offers a contract of carriage which you, as a prospective passenger, have a right to either agree to by purchasing a ticket, or to walk away from by choosing another airline, or another mode of public transportation, or using your own private transportation, or by staying home. Both you and the airline have obligations, privileges, and limited rights under the contract. You, the prospective passenger, have no absolute right to fly.
mikeosmers
Well said and accurate.
skylab72
skylab72 2
NOT a "right"! Public health has overridden personal convenience in common law since the Black Plague, in USA Federal law since 1778 (George Washington signed the law), and settled USA case law since 1807. Tyranny kills 700,000. Inconvienance inflames indignation in spoiled brats.
sconklan
sconklan 0
Covid 19 is hardly the Black Plague.

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wentress1027
I worked in the airline industry for over 25 years and have never seen or heard the things that are being allowed to go on today. This is unacceptable and totally out of hand. Thank you Delta Airlines for stepping up to the plate.
wentress1027
And you are certainly entitled to your opinion but I stand by what I wrote thanks

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mikeosmers
And your source of data for your assertion? Because UAL and DOD published a study of this issue that says exactly the opposite.
https://liveandletsfly.com/united-airlines-covid-19-study/
GreggB57
As a retired airline supervisor, I support this. I had people throw things at me, spot at me, and cock back to punch me. In that case, he realized that I was much bigger than he was and well muscled from pitching bags on the ramp and changed his mind. I'm built like a linebacker.
I still giggle are that one.
wfmihok
You probably had a bad attitude!

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paultrubits
Go 49ers!
augerin
....now we're talkin' about something worthwhile!... put civility back into traveling...

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GreggHales
Worldwide, not just national. Make it law, and watch how fast people will learn respect. If you don't like the rules, don't fly to start with.
DTBMF
They are incapable of respect! Make it a L A W!.

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playamendoza
Come on ! give me a break. That is a BS.
CPsarras
About time!
Chelle62784
I think is sad that this is what we have come to. My last flight a woman was ticked because she couldn’t get a window seat. She hadn’t paid for one but felt she should have it. She was horrible to the attendants who were really trying to be nice. I have the utmost respect for the attendants and how they handled the situation. As much as I hate to admit it, maybe being an obnoxious passenger deserves to be on the no fly list.

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jimsarushfan
Huck Finn -9
Oh and don't forget the passenger who doesn't agree with you politically and is wearing a MAGA hat or t-shirt.
ElamE
Always remember that fact !
tomwaller
This is precisely what will curtail the rampant disrespect of innocent conscientious and respectful passengers.
cindyb1954
Just happen to be watching Nightline as I type, (10-1-21) and this is the lead story. When I see these individuals behaving like savages, I am so appalled at their total lack of respect and have absolutely to regard for their fellow man. I agree there should be a law enforced, along with "do not fly" on their record.

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Cleffer
Cleffer 11
TheDawg1995
Over the course of the last year, I have made it a point to send airlines compliments when I hear specific cases of them banning unruly individuals. The plain truth is that no flight officer, no flight attendant, and no passenger should have to put up with this behavior from grown adults. It is one thing when an ACTUAL two-year-old is having a temper tantrum on board. But when grown adults do it, they need to be told to step outside, even if it is at 35,000 feet. As these cases continue to be reported, I am in TOTAL SUPPORT of Delta's proposal. There needs to be profound consequences for such behavior. Imagine having to tell your boss that you cannot fly for business purposes because you were a certified jack-a** the last time you flew somewhere. Or, having to tell family you cannot attend a function because your whining temper tantrum got you added to the no-fly list.

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Petronella1946
I agree with Delta,put out a National No Fly List Worldwide!
AABABY
AABABY 6
I guess the "Fasten seat belts" and "No smoking" lights are also a violation of your "personal" rights too.
What a bunch of whiners.Hopefully, there aren't any flight crew watching. Maybe they have a list of their own.
lucindakmason
No problem with a list such as this, however, it seems to me there needs to be a way to get your flying privileges back at some point. A large fine might work, or a number of flightless years with an ending date. I love my freedom as much as anyone, but people should know how to behave but I think banning people for life is a little over the top. Not trying to defend these jerks, but everybody has a bad day occasionally.
rvan128
No argument there. I agree privileges should be restored, but, only after the person has: paid fine(s), shall not fly for 1 year (for first offense), and attend anger management class (if said anger was directed at mask requirement by airline); if intoxication was involved, then appropriate class / probation period be successfully completed as well. It is just too easy for these people to become belligerant bumpkins and expect forgiveness without penalty.
TheDogeof88
Makes me even more inclined to fly Delta. Our experiences with them have always been positive, at least as far as things within their control are concerned.
Pbgray55
There already is a national No Fly List administered by DHS, with some degree of adjudication, which I’m sure DL hasn’t thought through. I’m sure if the offender’s behavior rises to the level of law enforcement intervention, they will be no-fly listed. A blanket No Fly lifetime decision is not the America I know!
jimsarushfan
There is also the consideration of 'due process' that seems to be ignored.
a1brainiac
I AM ALL FOR THAT !!!!!
M20ExecDriver
I like the jail time and five figure fines better. Nothing gets one attention like a wage garnishment and some time in the lockup.
tongo
Yes! That would make it worse than rape!
skylab72
skylab72 1
Good point! Make Rape a minimum of five years jail time and a six-figure fine!!
willardk
requiring all passengers to be vaccinated will cut down on these crazy folks significantly. guarantee it.
JBI2k4
J B 2
It probably should be done (for egregious or repeat offenders) but would require some kind of independent appeal procedure as well as a national or international system, the cost of which carriers would add to airfare. The episodes disrupt and delay travel for other passengers as well as the airlines, so maybe repays the cost.
E1craZ4life
What about a worldwide "no fly" list?
ElamE
Let's put It this way. Being O/B an A/C is not a joke. Even as Pax. Trying to be weird, funny or misbehaving O/B has consecuences when you are in a fuselage at 37.000 ft at 900 kph. That's what the rules are there for.
On the other hand, cabin crews mistreating pax happens and I must say, very very often in domestic & Int'l flghts. Nobody told me, I have seen It. So, there a line between misbehaviour and mistreatment. But let's be honest. A "no fly" list should be a policy for Iata & not Iata airlines. Even for Cessnas 172 carriers. Some people are just not fit to fly.
ElamE
When an oxigen mask comes down in front of you during an emergency inflight, and you read somebody talking about "the right to wear that mask", then you understand why some people are just not fit to fly. It's all well instructed during taxi time.
nasdisco
Chris B 1
No private corporation has a legal obligation to serve me or you.

I support Delta’s efforts here to make flying safe and comfortable for passengers and it’s staff.
airstars
'bout time!
ElamE
Sometimes It just happens that cabin crewmembers aren't polite enough when addressing pax. Flying nowadays happens to be very streessing for many reasons, specially to crewmembers, but It is more to pax, Who get onboard A/C"in the hands of God". Addressing pax is quite a skill not every crewmember have been trained enough.
Bulldog66
Could not agree more, should have been done at the on-set of the first occurance.
E1craZ4life
Here's an idea:
Aircraft Surveillance Recorders on all commercial aircraft.
bs008
bs008 2
We already have that. CELLPHONES. And air marshals.
elad731
Adrian C 1
I flew AA last week and have to commend each and every one of there employees that I interacted with, you can tell from their tone that they are reading from a script that’s forced upon them, these are intelligent and good people and just because they serve drinks and collect trash doesn’t mean they don’t deserve the utmost respect.
I agree there’s some bad eggs out there,(passengers) and the entire mask bs is not helping, that worthless piece of rag strung around your face with is not going to cut it unless it’s a professional piece of filtration equipment, it’s purely frustration and for a majority of us proud Americans we’re just not used to being told what to do, we can see through this, as for the vaccine it’s a great choice for the free thinking, once again we are free to choose, that’s a privilege we have of being American, you get to decide and you stand by your choice.
I had covid, and to be honest it was no big deal, but sadly I have had close friends die from this miserable creation, my doctor told me that I have the best immunity possible, yet by the look of it I’m not going to be able to travel soon unless I get jabbed against something I already have protection from, why is that, maybe to protect others, possibly but what’s the difference, vaccination or natural immunity is apparently the same, please post positive replies to this, it’s not a pissing match against the for’s and against after all we’re all in this mess together.
westieluvrok
My sister was a flight attendant for many years but just accepted a ground position. Guess she doesn't want to be on the plane that crashes from this idiotic, selfish behavior :(
eliotshulman
Go ahead and create the banned list.
Once it is established in stone as an official government process, it will eventually morph into a national identification of everyone who ever even sneezed in someone else’s direction.
Get on that govt. list and eventually it will be used to ID you as anything, including a domestic terrorist….this is how it begins…..good luck ever getting yourself off that list since once on any list like this, it’s permanent. There is no court of appeals for a government list.
wfmihok
Right on!
feote
My family and I will not fly again until these cretins are dealt with. Permanently.
a4mer49er
Are they really from the island of Crete?
jimsarushfan
'Cretin'? a person whose mental and physical development has been impaired by a deficiency of thyroid hormone in fetal or early life. You certainly like to denigrate an individual who through the deficiency of thyroid hormone has caused them to have mental and physical development.
ElamE
Have seen that type before. Awful type.
hornet135
hornet135 -7
As if the government’s no fly list wasn’t enough of an overreach, this would make the situation even worse. Just another “list” that likely to be abused.
E1craZ4life
What do you mean "abused"?
hornet135
Abused by those maintain the list and determine who is put on the list.
jmadunleavy
John D -3
State your sources
hornet135
Sources? It’s called present reality. Currently, if you’re put on the actual no-fly list, there’s very little recourse to getting off of it, even if it’s due to an error. It will be no short task to be removed from the list. So no, I don’t think the addition of no-fly list for unruly passengers is a good idea.
feote
When you are put on the No Fly List many will say “good riddance”.
hornet135
I’m no more likely than you to be put on a no-fly list, so I don’t know why you’re saying ‘goood riddance’. What exactly did I do to be worthy?
tongo
If anyone needs a reason to see how/why this could be abused, just refer to Ken's post.
wfmihok
I will never fly on Delta!
AABABY
AABABY 8
They've got a little list. You won't be missed.
Propwash122
@AABABY: Love the Gilbert and Sullivan reference!
frequentflyguy
As an EP on AA, ITS ABOUT TIME something like this gets enacted. When I have to tell the FAs to come get me if there's an issue, it takes away from the flying experience. Airfares are too cheap. What's the punishment if they get refunded and just book a $90 airfare on the next airline? Let 'em hitchhike home. (Its also why I never fly Frontier Allegiant or Spirit)
a4mer49er
How do you pronounce Hluchanyk w/o injuring oneself;-)
frequentflyguy
I am a professional. Do not try this at home
wfmihok
You forget who pay your salary: The passengers' fares and the US Government tax payers (US)during the Wuhan Virus pandemic.
frequentflyguy
As a passenger, my business pays my salary. EP means Executive Platinum
jimsarushfan
Huck Finn -5
So you are a member of the elite who never sees an economy seat, has room for his feet and eats all the treats and his deals are so sweet, while the rest of us sit in back while the Nazi stews tell us to pull up our mask, cuss us if we ask for water. Pretty sweet deal mister executive privilege.
frequentflyguy
Youse gets whats youse pays for Huck. I get upgraded because i fly 160+ flights a year. Try it sometime. Not fun.

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augerin
...and do you think anyone cares about your 'no-fly' list....?
jimsarushfan
Huck Finn -1
Soon to come to America: Interstate highways will be monitored at the borders and spot checks for maskless drivers and armed guards will be checking vaccine passports to see who is complying with the government requirement to wear a mask. Funding for this program will be financed by fines on individuals who refuse to wear a face mask while driving their cars. Check points will be random with all traffic being funneled into 'mask check' zones. Get used to it, this is the America you voted for if you voted for Joe Biden.
jmadunleavy
John D 0
State your sources.
rlmanning
The Airline industries has turned Communist and dictators, alone with the MSM , all Marxist and communist liberal baster!
And you the people are acting like sheeps and taking it!! what Morons!
craiglgood
If the TSA did this it would be the first useful thing the TSA has ever done.
anoldredsox
One wonders if any of the legacy US carriers care about the words “anti-trust collusion”?
TheDawg1995
There are many common policies between airlines. That does not mean they are violating anti-trust laws. Would it be an anti-trust violation that all the airlines require able-bodied individuals in exit row seating? The issue at hand is a safety issue. Ideally, it will eventually be codified in law. But, until then, airlines have a duty to protect their employees, their aircraft, and their other passengers. If someone does not want to be on a "no-fly list" then they can choose to conduct themselves in an appropriate manner.
CPsarras
That wouldn't apply here, this wouldn't be illegal as it wouldn't be fraud or similar.
tongo
Collusion has never required 'fraud or similar'. It has only required... 'collusion'.
skylab72
skylab72 -2
Nope. It is perfectly legal to collude on what you want for your next meal.

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TheDogeof88
Excellent choice. The adults won't miss you.
skylab72
skylab72 3
NOT a "right"! Public health has overridden personal convenience in common law since the Black Plague, in USA Federal law since 1778 (George Washington signed the law), and settled USA case law since 1807. Tyranny kills 700,000. Inconvienance inflames indignation in spoild brats.
bs008
bs008 -9
The "mask" is unconstitutional because it falls under EUA edicts. Read the 14th. BTW, viruses kill people of ill health each and every year around the globe. And what about those tyrannical ill informed non-elected government officials castigating United States citizens who are the very voting block members comprising the Republic? Since when did they lose their say in all this? In a free society, voting constituents have rights to protect themselves against ill informed and unwarranted bureaucratic socialist agendas. This is a good case for each and every citizen to take a stand against.You can wear a mask or choose not to. Your decision ... not someone else.
skylab72
skylab72 7
I HAVE read the "14th". It applies but not like you seem to think. It provides "Equal protection under the law", meaning Public health has overridden personal convenience (by LAW, as cited above). Laws against risky behavior protect you against health threats equally with the folks who understand why they do. Ignorance of the Law is no excuse for breaking it.
pilot62
Thank God someone who has all the facts THANKS !
wfmihok
I Agree
jimsarushfan
Huck Finn -9
I don't in anyway condone disruptive action on the airplane. Refusing to wear a mask is not disruptive but is an effort to resist the illegal mandate to wear one. I don't wear a mask anywhere. I have been kicked out of businesses, one in California recently in Santa Barbara for not wearing a mask and I gracefully exited. I had no trouble in multiple businesses throughout my 10 day trip wandering through and doing business with them without the mask of oppression.
rvan128
Well Huck....the airlines are a business and as such is a private entity. Ergo, according to law, they CAN enact policies that may not be agreeable to those who wish to fly. If they mandate a mask, wear it....if not, go fly on another airline. If no airlines permit you to fly without a mask, drive to your destination. Bottom line....IT IS NOT ILLEGAL for an airline to mandate mask wearing. Sorry.
rvan128
There should be a National Clearinghouse Listing of Unruly Passengers like these morons. Who is to say that one of these jerkweeds banned from one airline doesn't book on another and cause the same sort of headaches that got them banned from flying in the first place ? I say make a singular listing as mentioned and get on with it!!

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rlmanning
I, for one, will not fly on an airliner for 8 hours wearing a musk, my money will not go for communist dictators telling me to ware a musk! And you sheep out there, you dam Liberal sheep, go right ahead and give up your liberties and shut your mouth and take the vaccine shit! Morons.
pilot62
and no one wants you on it either - take a boat
jimsarushfan
Huck Finn -9
Fights aboard airplanes or physical resistance should never be tolerated and participants should be arrested and adjudicated by the courts not the airlines. The same for disruption of the flight crews. Enforcing a mask ordinance should not be part of the airline's requirements. Masks should be a matter of personal choice as well as vaccinations.

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pilot62
Were actually the ones who fly every week. And if you did.. you'd be done with the delays too, more often hen not this is dumb people and drunks causing the most issues - DONT CARE YOU"RE WRONG comment on
frequentflyguy
Oh but you want a $59 airfare right?

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