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United fined $12,000 for *not* violating 3 hour tarmac rule

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Federal officials penalized United Airlines $12,000 for reporting that four of its May flights violated new tarmac-delay rules, even though the carrier later determined that the flights actually complied with the controversial regulations. However, United should have stopped the clock on the delays at the point where passengers were allowed to disembark, the Transportation Department determined in a Tuesday consent order. The carrier was penalized for reporting inaccurate data to the Bureau of… (articles.chicagotribune.com) 기타...

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trterry
You do not lie to the Feds, period.

The rule should have read that when a loaded flight is delayed over an hour it should be canceled and the people be allowed to leave, even onto the tarmac. Most passengers walked further to the gate than the distance back. All planes have back steps and tarmac walking is not that bad (vs. sitting in a plane). But the airlines political power beat it down to 3 hours.

United may be trying to embarass the Feds.

Frequent fliers should program into their cell phones the phone numbers of the TV stations in the cities they frequent and call all of them when they have been waiting over 45 minutes. TV crews showing up at airports with their telephoto lens trained on the plane and sending the picures out on the national wires will get that plane unloaded quicker than any fine.
Banditz71
WHEN are they going to STOP using the term "tarmac"?? Nothing makes a person look more clueless about aviation than using that term!
w2bsa
w2bsa 0
Richard, what do you expect from journalists. They got that clueless term from somewhere and stuck with it because it's simple. Hell, when I first heard it I wondered 'what's an tarmac?'
FedExJack
FedExJack 0
tarmac: A colloquial term for the areas where aircraft are parked. Source: European Union
What should it be called? Nothing shows ones arrogance more than the ridicule of another without offering to educate.
teddavid
Ted David 0
Use of "Tarmac" is not that egregious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarmac

The media do far worse.
Banditz71
It is called the RAMP. "Tarmac" means nothing in modern USA aviation....it was "mainly" used back in WWII over in Great Britain and that area. Also, "tarmac" is a material, NOT a place.....do you say the plane is sitting on the concrete? asphalt?
teddavid
Ted David 0
Tarmac has taken on a meaning, like it or not, because of it's continued use....right or wrong. Of more concern to me is being kept on a plane on the ramp or taxiway for even two hours.
dbaker
dbaker 0
Just be glad they say tarmac and not runway.
Banditz71
Yeah, I know it's a hopeless cause.... :-/
jwestmacott
Tarmac,, a British term, an abbreviation of tarmacadam ,the material used to pave
airport parking and taxi areas ,or simply put " ashphalt"
Banditz71
That's it.....a "material", not a "place". It's like saying you're going to get in the car and go drive down the asphalt.....
Moviela
When I park my aircraft, or waiting for clearence it is on the GROUND. Tarmac is another example of the US and the UK separated by a common language.
josulliv
josulliv 0
Bit of "tilting at windmills", eh Richard? It's not really a ramp either (a sloping surface connecting two levels), or an apron (a garment covering part of the front of the body and tied at the waist). Oh wait - words can have multiple meanings!
AABABY
AABABY 0
First you say you do. And then you don't. Then you say you will. And then you won't. You're undecided now, so what are you going to do?
Reminds me of Captain Kirk and the Mudd's Women episode.
brown4488
Greg Brown 0
I don’t like the word tarmac either in this reference, but…….
If you are going to get people to use it correctly then you will have to get the FAA to stop using the term tarmac in their official documents.

I did a search on the FAA site and used the words “three hour delay” and the first 10 documents came up with “tarmac” so……

http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/document_change_proposals/N7210.745%20%2017-5-14.pdf

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