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Ethiopian Airlines considers COMAC C919 instead of Boeing 737 MAX 8

5년 전 제출됨

The African carrier has formed a joint committee with the Chinese manufacturer to examine the suitability of the aircraft to the Ethiopian fleet. (airlinerwatch.com) 기타...

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akebonolove 5년 전 3

Why not A 320?

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JMARTINSON 5년 전 3

a decision driven primarily by safety concerns, no doubt.

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mkeflyer 5년 전 7

If that was the case they would be looking at the A320. Looking at the C919 is probably because Ethiopia is heavily in debt to China via their Belt and Road program where China builds major infrastructure and expects those countries to pay back that debt. Selling terrible airplanes is a good way to recoup those costs.

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matt jensen 5년 전 1

Never heard of C919 crashing have you?

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paul gilpin 5년 전 4

i've never heard of one flying for more than 20 minutes, without scaring the sht out of the pilots due to high vibration, them landing, and getting fired for landing, due to the loss of face by the chief of pilots.
have you?
it has been on the drawing board for over ten years.
but why discuss the C919 when we can talk about hypersonic aircraft they have built and flown?
the MC21 has been on the drawing board for over ten years. but rooskie planes crash all the time. you just DON'T hear about them.

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JMARTINSON 5년 전 1

Paul,

I've followed their fighter development a little bit, but I hadn't actually read anything about flight testing the airliner (which is apparently much further behind than I imagined). The mental picture it paints, I can't help but feel bad for those test pilots getting fired for kissing the ground.

I had to fess up because your comment is such an absolute masterpiece in frustration.... it made me feel guilty.

I was kidding, because the idea of china's first crack at an airliner being safer is totally absurd. Sorry about that.

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JMARTINSON 5년 전 2

a more perfect safety record there is not...

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skylab72 5년 전 3

Or shorter? How many in the air and how many years type certified? Statistics actually work when you know what you are looking at...

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JMARTINSON 5년 전 1

I was being sarcastic. The idea of China's (or anyone else's) first try at building an airliner being safer than any boeing or airbus currently in service is a joke.

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skylab72 5년 전 1

OOP! sorry.

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JMARTINSON 5년 전 1

As scary as it may be, some people around here aren't joking.

So no need to apologize.

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Cansojr 5년 전 1

Never heard of this type and its range.

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Carlos Cesar Garcia 5년 전 1

Kevin, talvez es parte del oficio de diseñar, porque nadie piensa que lo hecho por los Ing. de la Boeing pudiera causar un daño, de todas maneras son riesgos o imprevistos de la industria aeronautica

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Kevin Keswick 5년 전 -1

Who can blame them? I never thought I would say this but I think I would feel safer flying on a Comac C919 than I would flying on a 737 Max even after the software "fix"

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skylab72 5년 전 2

So have you avoided Airbus 330s ever since Air France 447?

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Randy Marco 5년 전 0

The Max is a COMPLETELY different scenario, a TOTAL design flaw that existed since the 37-200 then was seriously exacerbated with the Max cg issue then became fatal with the design having NO redundancy AND then hid it from their customers & pilots!

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hornet135 5년 전 1

Tell us how you really feel. A total design flaw that has existed for more than 50 years since the 737-200?

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Randy Marco 5년 전 0

That's right a 53 year old design flaw that few know about because Boeing REMOVED all references to it in the mid-80's!

Most 37 pilots aren't even aware of it.

Read here, https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-safety/vestigal-design-issue-clouds-737-max-crash-investigations/ includes text from Boeing flight manual that was removed.

Profits ALWAYS win over cost reductions created through stretching an existing airframe, rather than starting from scratch.

Yes, the 37 has been a great plane but Boeing pushed it too far this time and they further cheaped out creating the MCAS to mask an inherent design flaw... THEN not making customers & pilots aware that there is a point of no return once the stab is past the point of manual operation!

Obviously, Boeing KNOWS the design flaw as evidenced by their 37-200 flight manual. They will and should lose ALL lawsuits pertaining to the Max, including loss of revenue.

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skylab72 5년 전 0

Sorry, but your 50Yr old mis-trimmed issues are much different from the engines-too-big-induced-pitch-instability problem that spawned the MCAS issues chain. MANY certified commercial aircraft in the first two decades of the "jet age" had that problem or one very similar. I have heard the phrase "unload the trimtab before modifying the trim setting" from more than one certified IP.

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JMARTINSON 5년 전 -1

Randy, First things first................................................................ click that down arrow --->

With that out of the way, go ask the guy who wrote that article you linked to why he never mentions how fast that Ethiopian 737 was going.

He won't answer for the same same reason you won't.

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Po Lau 5년 전 0

I wouldn't project too far from it. It simply means all options on the table, and it should. Boeing also could take this time to consider what another guy has suggested to re-brand 737max8. With its different flight dynamics and control, it makes sense to have it re-certified as another type, and put in proper training and documentation. On the other hand, with O&M similar to 737, in the long run, a better technical and economical proposition for both the manufacturer and the operators.

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