Pilots protest against vaccine mandates outside Charlotte-Douglas International Airport

Your choice.

Good for you as your choice will have a positive impact on many - some you will never know.

Just flew with an FO a few weeks back who was told by his doctor NOT to get the vaccine as he is susceptible to blood clots and he could die from the shot. He applied and received Reasonable Accommodation yet is on unpaid leave. THIS IS WHAT THE PROTESTS ARE ABOUT. So in many cases, it's not Easy-Peasy at all and someone is not getting paid for what exactly????? Heads need to get out of so many Asses!

yes, yes - complying is always more simple than thinking freely. Now go stand in the middle of a busy highway at night, wearing dark clothing. Comply! Comply!

thank you. too many people fail to see the reality of this, and label everyone as anti-vaxxers - when in reality they are not.

Fact - Vaccinated individuals can be carriers and spreaders. I have three family members whom were vaccinated several months prior to catching covid and all three were very ill. The vaccine is not a one size fits all.

Wait a minute. If you are vaccinated then how does an unvaccinated person present a risk to you?

Read this!
The anti-flu vaccine contained nanoparticles of graphene oxide and the new anti-flu vaccines and the new and supposedly intranasal anti-COVID vaccines they are preparing also contain enormous doses of graphene oxide nanoparticles. Graphene oxide is a toxic that generates thrombi in the organism, graphene oxide is a toxic that generates blood coagulation. Graphene oxide causes alteration of the immune system. By decompensating the oxidative balance in relation to the gulation reserves. If the dose of graphene oxide is increased by any route of administration, it causes the collapse of the immune system and subsequent cytokine storm.
Also, according to this study, levels of graphene oxide in certain ‘vaccine’ vials contained up to 99% graphene oxide and little else. This toxin can cause pneumonia when the nanoparticles enter the lungs. Graphene also causes a metallic taste and inflammation of the mucus membranes which can lead to a loss of taste and smell. It can as well cause strong magnetic responses inside a host organism, and can also cause red blood cell damage. When deposited on most any surface, it can be converted into an electronic conductor. This would lead one to question many ‘Covid’ symptoms and the possible uses of graphene oxide in the so-called ‘Covid-19 vaccine,’ as this study group also claims that graphene oxide actually causes what is erroneously described as ‘Covid.’ If this is the case, then the ‘vaccine’ is indeed the bioweapon.
The very many adverse effects of graphene oxide delivery into living organisms has been long studied, but virtually nothing about this has been mentioned by the pharmaceutical companies, the government, or the mainstream media. In fact, there has been express denial of any nano-particle use in the flu and ‘Covid’ injections by these same sources in the past. The information in this report is staggering, but little effort is required to understand the high risk of using these toxic nano-sized particles in ‘vaccines.’
Graphene microparticles, and therefore graphene by injection, can lead to major respiratory sickness, including lung cancer. Once these particles are inside the body, and in the cells, the human immune system has not the ability to rid itself of these deadly nano-particles, and they become permanent and can cause extreme physiological harm in the body at the cellular level.
Bioweapons can come in many forms, and this is the new tactic of war against the people by this and other governments. The powerful controlling element of society and its corrupt government partners care nothing about you or your families, but only about power and control over you. The real bioweapon is not any ‘virus,’ but is the ‘vaccine’ delivery system itself, along with masks, and testing, as perpetrated by the very entity (government) claiming to be your savior. The elimination of this government is in order.
It seems that the death of billions is sought, and a new master and slave society controlled by technocrats in a transhuman environment is the desired outcome. Today, science fiction has become reality!

Such a Humanitarian. Hope it's not one of your loved ones who exercises their rights and ties up a bed!!!
Again...Heads Out Of Asses please!

You actually went to the trouble of putting this post together rather than having the jab! Me thinks you are not a pilot, but, you do have too much time on your hands!

Math time? More like dropped out after my second year of the 9th grade math time. If you don't know the difference between relative and absolute risk (as one tip-of-the-iceberg example) you might want to dial down the "these are simply odds, so sorry if they don't fit your narrative" routine. Simple odds are not how you calculate risk.

The faster you put out this mathematical dumpster fire the better.

Proof positive that you can make any statistical analysis support any position you choose to take...worthless mental masturbation.

Here's a revolver, here's a bullet. I'll sit back, eat popcorn and watch you play Russian Roulette.

This appears to be a red herring fallacy. One example: Showing that an unvaccinated person might be at greater risk of dying in a fire than dying of Covid distracts from the issue. If the issue is one of choice, the statistic of dying in a fire is irrelevant since it is not likely that the victim made a choice to dye in a fire, whereas deciding not to be vaccinated is a choice. Interesting set of statistics, but not very helpful or convincing of anything.

Nothing in today’s world is “politically quiet “.

I haven't seen one mention in this thread about politics..... only that of personal choices vs. forced to do something.

Absolutely. Of course also respect their right to protest. And finally, of course respect their employers to set work requirements and terminate people who don’t choose to comply.

I hope their mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles, children, work associates, strangers they pass on the street and neighbours are as forgiving as yourself Jack. IMHO, this deals in a higher currency than choice, that being life and death. The longer some think choice is more important than life and death of the people mentioned, the longer this will go on. Are 751,000 deaths in the USA alone not enough for these bright-light thinkers?

Be honest. You're not vaccinated and you support their politics.

Respect my choice to drink and drive.

How do feel about being told to drive on the right side of the road? Violating your freedom and liberty?

This information has been common knowledge for over 6 months now, plenty of time to have avoided this but it is seldom, if ever, reported on Fox, OAN or Newsmax.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/nearly-all-covid-deaths-in-us-are-now-among-unvaccinated

Absolutely brilliant !! You covered all the bases and exposed the criminal behavior that's going on. You clearly have a great understanding of what's going on

hear hear!

check out sorryantivaxxer.com too see where you are wrong.

You spend WAY too much time browsing the darkest parts of the internet to write your own narrative.

Every line of BS you typed is a lie. Go back to praying to your orange Jesus.

Very well said. Thank you, Mr. Cox.

This is not a question of personal choice, any more than driving drunk is. Refusing to get vaccinated is almost exactly like driving drunk because it makes you a threat to everybody around you. And you can't name a single freedom that is infringed because you get vaccinated.

Your claim that the vaccines are experimental is false. They have not only been tested through all the normal phases, but there have now been BILLIONS of monitored doses. There is no controversy here: the vaccines are extremely safe and highly effective. Malone did not invent mRNA vaccines, and is a crank.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/vaers-preprint-debacle/

The whole "fetal cells" objection is pure flapdoodle.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/christian-elliots-18-reasons-i-wont-be-getting-a-covid-vaccine-viral-antivaccine-misinformation/

Anybody who refuses vaccination should not be let anywhere near an airplane, much less in the cockpit. These protesting pilots are behaving like toddlers. Fire them all.

What about the pilot in the other seat? Can they refuse to fly with you? Do you care about their health?

The Supreme Court decided in 1905 that you don't have a right to say no to a vaccine in the interest of public health! All this discussion that it is a right to say no is completely incorrect. Saying no is a violation of the law and subject to fine or other penalties. We are a law based society with the vast majority of people choosing to be law abiding, fortunately. Those who chose to break the law will face consequences.

Sure, but the federal government has required vaccination for more than a century for some roles. Schools have also required them. The largest socialist job program (the military) requires them. Private employers require them. Universities require them. If you don’t want to work in any of the places that do, and don’t want to use any business or service that requires them, you are absolutely free to not do so.

Choosing to drive drunk is the choice of the person who desires to drive drunk, not the government, not your neighbor, not anyoe but yourself. Whether or not I am driving drunk is none of your business.

That is exactly the argument you're making.

How are we who choose not to get the jab selfish?

don't be a sheep. think for yourself and respect yourself enough to stay in control of what goes into your own body.

You're trying to teach pigs to sing. Let Chuck Darwin take care of them. It's all part of the Great IQ Purge for which the US has been LONG overdue.

he has also waffled on almost every stance he has ever had in his entire career as a politician. his credibility was zip long before now.

And if we plug the trumpster into your little calculator, credibility works out to exactly -2,665,116,554,010.33333333

It's all relative.

Well most are, as very few were at this protest. As you point out, the few who were at the protest are clearly irrational. They have no capacity to “do their own research.” They take their information from those who also lack the ability to either do or understand proper research or how to evaluate data. This is terribly sad.

You just attracted the attention of the bobble heads

Why is it that the mandate is only for those who work? Why not a mandate for those who are on welfare, receive food stamps, and for the illegal immigrants. The jab is not a vaccine! It has adverse side effects. Quit listening to the main line media and do some research. If you've been jabbed and not suffered an adverse side effect, you're blessed.

I got tons of shots when I was in the military, but there is no way I'm getting these shots. Please don't paint people who are refusing these shots as "anti-vaxxers", because a lot of us aren't. I won't go into the reasons here, if you are interested you can find the info for yourself.

Amen. The primadonna glorified bus drivers are at it again.

soundslike they found some witches

has been since day 1

truth right there!

Control. Compliance. Coercion. of People.

Literally what "CCCP" means. :)

Bring on the downvotes!!!! hahaha

Indeed. They might not want their jobs any longer and obviously don’t care much about then public or country. Lucky for all of us, them included, they have the freedom to quit. Maybe they can start an airline or perhaps spend some time learning basic science.

the article is about pilots protesting. if that isn't related to aviation - i don't know what is. there's the door.

You sir, are simply a Pieice of Shxt

you'll be across that bridge before me.

The anti-flu vaccine contained nanoparticles of graphene oxide and the new anti-flu vaccines and the new and supposedly intranasal anti-COVID vaccines they are preparing also contain enormous doses of graphene oxide nanoparticles. Graphene oxide is a toxic that generates thrombi in the organism, graphene oxide is a toxic that generates blood coagulation. Graphene oxide causes alteration of the immune system. By decompensating the oxidative balance in relation to the gulation reserves. If the dose of graphene oxide is increased by any route of administration, it causes the collapse of the immune system and subsequent cytokine storm.
Also, according to this study, levels of graphene oxide in certain ‘vaccine’ vials contained up to 99% graphene oxide and little else. This toxin can cause pneumonia when the nanoparticles enter the lungs. Graphene also causes a metallic taste and inflammation of the mucus membranes which can lead to a loss of taste and smell. It can as well cause strong magnetic responses inside a host organism, and can also cause red blood cell damage. When deposited on most any surface, it can be converted into an electronic conductor. This would lead one to question many ‘Covid’ symptoms and the possible uses of graphene oxide in the so-called ‘Covid-19 vaccine,’ as this study group also claims that graphene oxide actually causes what is erroneously described as ‘Covid.’ If this is the case, then the ‘vaccine’ is indeed the bioweapon.
The very many adverse effects of graphene oxide delivery into living organisms has been long studied, but virtually nothing about this has been mentioned by the pharmaceutical companies, the government, or the mainstream media. In fact, there has been express denial of any nano-particle use in the flu and ‘Covid’ injections by these same sources in the past. The information in this report is staggering, but little effort is required to understand the high risk of using these toxic nano-sized particles in ‘vaccines.’
Graphene microparticles, and therefore graphene by injection, can lead to major respiratory sickness, including lung cancer. Once these particles are inside the body, and in the cells, the human immune system has not the ability to rid itself of these deadly nano-particles, and they become permanent and can cause extreme physiological harm in the body at the cellular level.
Bioweapons can come in many forms, and this is the new tactic of war against the people by this and other governments. The powerful controlling element of society and its corrupt government partners care nothing about you or your families, but only about power and control over you. The real bioweapon is not any ‘virus,’ but is the ‘vaccine’ delivery system itself, along with masks, and testing, as perpetrated by the very entity (government) claiming to be your savior. The elimination of this government is in order.
It seems that the death of billions is sought, and a new master and slave society controlled by technocrats in a transhuman environment is the desired outcome. Today, science fiction has become reality!

Actually, I think it is cruel to the hospital physicians like my wife and to other medical professionals to have to care for thee folks at this point. Maybe they can have Dr. Rogan, Dr Trump, Dr Rogers, Dr Carlson, Dr Hannity, et.al take care of them.

“Hospitals are full of people with complications from the jab.”

Citation required.

Where did you get that mis-information? Science has found otherwise. "So far there have been no verified reports of ADE occurring as a result of COVID-19 vaccines." Source:
https://health-desk.org/articles/are-covid-19-vaccines-causing-antibody-dependent-enhancement

I echo your statement. FJB

Nothing is perfect despite what the CDC and NIH and WHO tell you. You pick your poison. For me, please give me the damn virus!!! Let's get this sh!t over with. I'll have better immunity to boot!

To all the Ninnys who I see here who probably are the same ones driving alone in their cars with a mask on....or wiping every possible surface in the airplane down with alcohol only to miss 25% of the clearly COVID infected areas....take the jab and stop acting like its a perfect vaxx!

I've seldom worn masks, never wipe down anything, and been in public ever since this thing started in early 2020....never had any issues whatsoever. Hey, guess what? I am vaxxed! BUT I would NEVER tell anyone, nor coerce or pressure anyone to do the same as I believe in the freedoms we are given and should never be taken away by the Ninnies described above and posted their lunatic ideas and values here.

THIS IS WHAT THE PROTESTS ARE ABOUT! Heads out of Asses!

It would appear that your problem, despite the bravado of your words, is one of simple fear. Unfortunately these days you can find solace with your kind thanks to social media which just fuels flames of paranoia. For the sake of others if not your own, allay your unsupported nonsense and get vaccinated. Your family and friends may want to thank you for doing so.

And how do you know it is "well known"? And your source is?

Seriously Kevin, how many times to I have to skewer your bullshit myocarditis argument before you stop repeating it?

while you are correct in the first half of your statement - the 2nd half has a couple issues...

1> there are not very many young pilots
2> even if a pilot drops dead at the controls - there is another one in the cockpit. while both pilots may drop dead at some point from myocarditis - it is very unlikely that both will at the controls of the same plane.
3> even if one pilot does drop dead - you and I nor anyone on the flight will know.... the plane will land, everyone will be deplaned and then the medics or morgue will come and get the body. the entire incident will go unreported to the masses, and the surviving pilot will be under an extremely strict gag order - or will simply be disappeared outright.

you can take all of the above to the bank. they will go to any lengths to prevent the truth from being known, just as they have already about everything surrounding this entire pandemic.

A healthy young pilot? Have you been to an airport lately? Take a good at the majority of these pilots. Pouring out of their uniform, if they wore a garmin watch they’d see their heart rate hit zone 5 as they waddle up the jet bridge to go get their Big Mac. These people are a joke and an embarrassment to the piloting community. We all know 1st class medicals are not created equal.

If these people were so concerned about their health the first thing they’d do is get on a treadmill and lose 100lbs.

Names, why not use their names.

You can't because they do not exist.

Same should be said for those that are obese, smoke, eat unhealthy. I mean, if you are going to make one group of people do it, make it for those that DEFINITELY do not put their health first.

Why not. Then smokers ending up with heart failure or copd can pay their own medical expenses. Along with all the other folks with chronic medical conditions resulting from life choices

Careful what you wish for there, buckey

just let smokers pay their own medical expenses if they get cancer
just let fatasses pay their own medical expenses if they get heart disease
just let methheads die on the street instead of injecting them with narcan
just let people who Burn Loot Murder get their asses handed to them by the police and people who want to protect themselves and their stuff
just let people who are able but not willing to work not suck on the taxpayers tit

IF and ONLY if AND when those other polices are implemented - I will GLADLY pay my own medical expenses if I get covid... and I will even pay yours when you get it - despite you having been vaxxed.

And of course issue them yellow stars to wear too?

Just let the vaxxed pay their own medical expenses if they get Covid

I'm already paying for yours, so, there's that!

Your granpappy had a sheet?

that's flatly dumb and will tie up everything for everyone - including the vaxxed.

look - it is pretty simple - if you are vaccinated, then you are safe from the unvaxxed. that's what a vaccine is for & does, by definition.

if the vaxxed are not safe from the unvaxxed - then guess what? they aren't vaccinated!

Sorry boys, but odds are 50-50 for another serious winter lockdown caused by unvaxxed clogging of medical facilities for all purposes after the holidays. In that scenario the vaxxed majority is going to lose all remaining patience with providing the unvaxxed with anything at all.

Hey, I know...lets set up camps where unvaxxed can live...remember the relocation camps for the Japanese in WWII? Everyone thought that was a really bad idea but apparently, it makes PERFECT SENSE to the SENSELESS!

Did you look at the document? I don't think you heard a word I said (not that I'm surprised). Your talking points are more important to you than the truths. What a shame.

You do realize covid deaths in most first world countries - so far this year - exceed COVID deaths in 2020.

The so called death total has been greatly inflated. With or of? Too much money has been made from "with".

Not according to the data, natural immunity, especially with mild cases of COVID, does not produce as strong an immune response as the mRNA vaccines. So someone in your situation will probably get sick again and next time may not be so lucky.

You are a prime example of why our Covid will continue to linger and keep flaring up, and more Americans will die

actually - forced vax = child abuse. that being said - this thread is not about children. Take it to a non-aviation forum.